Butch

Well, I guess you would have a laugh if you got the joke... Physics says the universe is entropic (that is as time passes) So... In the past the universe had less entropy. Geez, I hate having to explain a joke... Perhaps Swan could do a cartoon for you.

Thank you.

S+p-a=m?

Take my word for it, I need this formula and value. IF the electron in a hydrogen atom were in a 2 dimensional elliptical orbit such that it passed so closely to the proton that the separation was negligible(assume it is separated from center of mass of the proton by the radius of the proton with the proton at one focus of the ellipse.). Assume an apogee of the Bohr radius. What would the average kinetic energy be, The max (@perigee) and the min(@apogee)?

Found a table of atomic radii of the elements http://periodictable.com/Properties/A/AtomicRadius.v.html

According to modern physics the opposite of entropy is the past, personally I still value Hoyles opinion.

Ok, anyway I have a problem perhaps you can help with, while the isotope browser app has complete information on charge radius, I can't seem to find a table to reference for atomic radius... I am currently attempting the same explanation, albeit at a simpler level.

When I get to those isotopes, perhaps... However I am currently working my way through H, He, Li and Be. These models should produce the math which will simplify the models of heavier elements and then I shall venture into molecular structure. I am continuing this effort because so far it fits well with the table of elements and isotopes. If I am successful there will be no need for the strong or weak forces and the neutron will not be a particle. If you would care to assist me, I am currently dealing with dimensions and energies in the above mentioned elements and their isotopes. Most of my information comes from the isotope browser app. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details%3Fid%3Diaea.nds.nuclides%26hl%3Den%26referrer%3Dutm_source%3Dgoogle%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_term%3Disotope%2Bbrowser%2Bapp%26pcampaignid%3DAPPU_1_R807WrGRIYeMjwTV74q4Dg&ved=0ahUKEwjx0MOIsJvYAhUHxoMKHdW3AucQ5YQBCDQwAA&usg=AOvVaw0Pn7BFo7ezQkUFO1EfO6KV

Ditto... I must leave you now, this discussion has heartened me a bit... The nucleus charge radius can change with influence.

Did you understand my concept of sister electrons? This post indicates some insight... But perhaps not complete? For example the sum of vectors?

You understand why this interests me, I assume? Fair enough. Swan has helped me a great deal, If he hits me with something I take it to heart. His knowledge is quite reliable in my opinion.

No, less complex, my model needs refinement and formulae. If you wish take a peek here http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/112223-if-an-electron-falls-through-the-nucleus-of-an-atom/?page=5 Thanks!

So in my understanding, since the charge of the nucleus while more or less spherical it is not consistent in strength(inverse square) so the rms value assigns a radius that allows us to predict electron scattering... Have I got it? I at least understand now that it is not rms as in a sine wave. Thanks. I agree, what I am looking for is what happens when electrons fall through the nucleus, I know probability says they can't but the model I am working on allows this without violating qm probability.

Not charges, charge radius of a nucleus.

Yeah, did this in junior high, thanks for the input. No, I was thinking sister electrons, 2 in deuterium and 3 in tritium that take turns falling through a nucleus composed of only protons. Elves are way to big (as far as wave function goes.).

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0305-4616/11/8/008/pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjtqJjg2JnYAhVHLyYKHWkHAWEQFghHMAQ&usg=AOvVaw2_TPljdyRH_kgLLXEZydWd Actually, my first source was the isotope browser app on my phone, then I began surfing the web.

So we are not saying that it is not oscillating, just hasn't been an issue and we assume it is not? Just asking wether it was an assumption or a deduction... Strange I ached for your input on my topic "if an electron falls through the nucleus..." In speculations, but alas.

So we are not saying that it is not oscillating, just hasn't been an issue and we assume it is not?

I was investigating charge radius in relation to my atomic model (if an electron falls... I think you are familiar with it. I had been referring to it as the nuclear area. When I search for info on charge radius of the nucleus everything I find gives an rms value(try it yourself), note that in my model the charge radius would oscillate.

Saw that coming... I don't have a lot of faith in the strong and weak nuclear forces... I fear the momentum of qm has us jumping ahead of ourselves. She died, I don't think I want to try it at home... Lol.

What binds a neutral particle to a proton, I am aware of the qm explanation, although I am not expert in that arena... I don't know if I trust quark theory. I am intrigued, can you elaborate?

Indium is a metal, so is tin, hence an alloy... or a ceramic if it is greatly oxygenated. May we see your sources? All my sources say you are wrong. I should note almost invariably when I have a point of contention with someone they will grab their phone and bring up a wiki, I will then challenge them to find a different source and usually I am right, however I am often wrong. If I had to pick a human trait as the most valuable, it would be humility... Humility allows us to learn. It is not a metal but it is metallic. Let's not use this forum for our petty argument... Ok? I give you the last word.

I never trust wiki, most likely the information there was copied... I will see if I can pull up my source. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/indium-tin-oxideito-ellen-li This is a manufacturer.

The charge radius of an atoms nucleus is given as rms, does the nucleus oscillate?

You are speaking of star stuff, ok... But the proton and electron star stuff is stable, the neutron is not. Matter in a star is in the form of ionized gas. Nuclei can be fused but what is preventing the decay of the neutron in such an environment.