J.C.MacSwell

I don't believe that's true. I have a lot of respect for the power of the free (and otherwise) press and have concerns about where they are heading. In some respects they have more power and influence than some levels of government, and have influence over all levels. From Wiki on CNN: As of August 2010, CNN is available in over 100 million U.S. households.[6] Broadcast coverage of the U.S. channel extends to over 890,000 American hotel rooms,[6] as well as carriage on subscription providers throughout Canada. As of July 2015, CNN is available to about 96,374,000 pay-television households (82.8% of households with at least one television set) in the United States.[7] Globally, CNN programming airs through CNN International, which can be seen by viewers in over 212 countries and territories.[8]

We have all wandered a bit, but just to tie it back in, control of the press is typical of most totalitarian regimes. Hitler did that and it would be hard to believe Trump would not do it if given the opportunity.

It seems to be the way the press is heading at the moment.

Very much. I am new to the idea that credible news sources in constitutional democracies did the same. CY and SJ. I believe you would have come to that same conclusion without the "extra help" of CNN interpreting it for you, and telling you what you should think.

Let's say CY wants more taxing and you don't. I might announce more taxes realizing that might get CY out to vote for me realizing I might not get your vote. I don't throw in that I think you wear ugly shirts, because that would just add assurance that you might not vote for me and CY might not like that I am insulting you. In this case I announce more taxes, and CNN tells you that I think your shirts are ugly, and you all believe it because you think I have made disparaging clothing remarks in the past. It doesn't help that you add your confirmation bias, and hear any of my mention of clothing in the worse possible way...and you always answer "how could you not recognize it, it would be disingenuous not to". Now, maybe I do hate your clothes, but in this case all I did was announce a tax increase.

Who is claiming reporting what someone says or does is equivalent to speculating what someone is thinking based on no evidence? Yes that would be a false equivalence...if anyone had said or implied it. No one did. Cuomo was, absolutely, participating in false news when he did that, and should be ashamed of himself. There is no justification for it, and he hurts CNN's credibility along with his own. And no, "but it's Trump" does not justify it.

So. You believe this has no negative effect, for Trump/Republicans, for any part of the remaining 92% if racism is directed at Hispanics? That's a pretty sad thought...

This comes back to Raider's point I just don't see the gain in the racism, where I do see a gain in being against illegal immigration (again...don't read this as my being against immigration...legal or otherwise)

Not really...though I think you might be correct (for Midterms)

George Wallace was openly racist. Suggesting Trump is the same is wrong IMO.

Just on that point. I have relied on CNN for American (also some World) News for some time. Only recently have I realized how bad it has become...so LOL...I googled Fox as I had heard how bad they were, just to see the "other side". I trust neither as to their slant/opinions and headlines. Prior to that I trusted CNN and most news outlets over most politicians. Though I would always read with some skepticism, I considered the free press an important cornerstone of constitutional democracies. So I am more disappointed in CNN than Trump...I thought he would be a horrible President...so he has not disappointed me as much (I did think he would be better than this, as I thought he might have some respect for his position)

I meant discourage them voting Republican but CY answered the question (I still find it baffling) Again...don't assume I approve of the Ad

Maybe you can enlighten me... why would Trump want to discourage votes from Hispanics? What am I missing that is so obvious? I don't get the absurdity or disrespect.

Illegal immigrants and crime...why would Trump want to discourage votes from Hispanics? (and don't assume I am OK with the Ad focusing on Illegal immigrants and crime) You missed the point with Obama...of course he wouldn't run that Ad...can you not envision an Ad where he could have reasonably referenced a criminal...who happened to be Hispanic? Again. I shouldn't have to add this, but I will here...I am not equating Obama (who I admire) with Trump (who I don't), I simply want you to get a perspective from a different view so you might see my point, where otherwise you might not.

Why not let the content and tone of the ad speak for itself? Why does CNN feel the need to title this "Trump Shocks With Racist New Ad Days Before Midterms"? base on the undertones you and they believe are there? And why would they claim it as "shocking" if they feel it is based on his past? Do you feel this is credible News? Do you feel it is credible to portray it in this manner? If Obama mentioned a criminal in an Ad, and that criminal happened to be Hispanic, how would you feel if someone headlined "Obama Shocks With Racist New Ad Days Before Midterms"? I shouldn't have to add this, but I will here...I am not equating Obama (who I admire) with Trump (who I don't), I simply want you to get a perspective from a different view so you might see my point, where otherwise you might not. Can you not see how a Republican, or moderate/independent, might see that CNN article as rubbish? Lose CNN credibility in their eyes?

And according to CNN...racist:| Trump Shocks With Racist New Ad Days Before Midterms https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/31/politics/donald-trump-immigration-paul-ryan-midterms/index.html

Might have been a poor choice of words, but by "position" I meant roughly where he could reasonably be placed on an issue, rhetoric aside. As usual, my personal views would be pretty similar to most here...once we all get over Trump.

You claimed this: It makes no sense if you are talking about votes in aggregate.

I can't really disagree with any of that. Can you see the other side of it? Can you not see any substance in Trump's positions? (rhetoric and falsehoods aside?) People get so ticked off at Trump they seem to leave themselves exposed in their positions, probably left to look less balance, or less practical, than they otherwise would be.

There you go again...keep your head in the sand and keep thinking that type of self righteous diatribe does not enable Trump...hopefully you get it right in 2020 if you fail now.

Can't disagree with that. What's the best way of getting most of the moderates in the country to vote with you?

It is not a matter of being numb to it. You are like chicken little running around yelling "the sky is falling". Except in this case the sky has already fallen and is clearly on the ground...I'm saying "what do we do now?"

I'm not claiming with certainty this is untrue, but I very much doubt it. It's like you believe only turnout, or a very small number of independents decide each election. How could anyone possibly know this, anyway? Ten oz pointed out how overall consistent voting was believed to be among demographics, not as individuals, and no one knows how anyone actually voted except themselves

Who is making that claim? His lack of integrity is huge. That was clear before he ran for President. It is a huge part of why he should not be...yet there he is. Why not address why he got there, rather than focusing on what everyone already knows? If anyone deserves to lose this upcoming election more than the extreme left Democrats (don't read that as all Democrats)...it is him...but his name isn't on the ballot.

I don't consider paying attention to Trump's "lie # 1,473,986" at the expense of focusing on the issues to be worthwhile. His contempt for everyone but himself and looseness with the facts and the truth is already well defined. Anything additional in that regard is in fact "small stuff", and focusing on it leads away from the bigger picture.