what*if? Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 What if Dark Matter in motion causes gravity by pushing? What if the Universe is really simple because it is only "stuff" (sometimes infinitely small stuff) banging into other "stuff" at varying speeds causing pressures the opposite of what we are imagining? What if the moon is being pushed towards the earth by Dark Matter in motion and not pulled? What if the Earth is actually less "dense" than the surrounding Dark Matter and thus the moon is pushed towards it? What if magnetic forces were caused by infinitely small amounts of Dark Matter pushing outwards at less pressure than surrounding Dark Matter pressing inwards? What if Energy is simply Dark Matter in motion being constrained by the greater pressures of denser Dark Matter...also in motion? It could work if the Universe was infinite in size and Dark Matter or "stuff" could be infinitely small. Nah...makes the Universe too simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 What if ... you could provide some evidence or maths to support these ideas ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I'm sorry... Did you say that makes things simpler ? How so ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 What if Dark Matter in motion causes gravity by pushing? That doesn't explain why it behaves differently in the solar system, for example, that it does on the scale of galaxy clusters. How would dark matter particles "push" the Earth if they do not interact with electromagnetism (which is how things normally push). How does this explain gravitational lensing? Anyway, push gravity has been shown not to work a long time ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27s_theory_of_gravitation What if magnetic forces were caused by infinitely small amounts of Dark Matter pushing outwards at less pressure than surrounding Dark Matter pressing inwards? How would this explain electromagnetism? Can you derive Maxwell's equations based on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what*if? Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 Nope...no evidence...just the beginning of a theory. I'm certainly not sure of how things become dense at the levels of "minuteness" that Dark Matter contains. If we are talking about "stuff" that is smaller than quarks then who knows how that "stuff" densifies? But, I can imagine an elastic band contracting as a "push" rather than a pull if internal pressures are involved. And I can imagine how the moon is pushed towards the Earth because of pressures from Dark Matter. I need to understand how the simple stuff might work if there are only pushes. For example, a gas bubble rises from the surface of the ocean because of pressure differences... despite gravity...then it reaches the atmosphere but goes no further into "space". Why stop there? I'm thinking it is because of the pushes from the "stuff" around the gas bubble under water are no longer strong enough to keep it moving outwards because of Dark Matter. Not gravity. I'm saying this is all because of densities and pressure and movement. Electromagnetism? You must be kidding me. I don't understand how that works now...let alone how it works at the sub quark level. But I believe that there are pressures at the sub-quark level that we simply are not imagining now. And maybe we should. How can we say that "stuff" smaller than quarks can NOT cause pressure? I would ask for proof of that. I am beginning to like my theory...."stuff" in motion causes pressure. Pressures and tiny bits of "stuff" are the answer to all the weird "energies" we observe. Those "energies" are simply tiny tiny bits of "stuff" in motion searching for easier ways to travel....ways with less pressure. Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Nope...no evidence...just the beginning of a theory. ! Moderator Note Moving to Speculations. Please take the time to read the special rules for this section. Try to provide as much support for your arguments as you can. It's all about supportive evidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what*if? Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 That doesn't explain why it behaves differently in the solar system, for example, that it does on the scale of galaxy clusters. How would dark matter particles "push" the Earth if they do not interact with electromagnetism (which is how things normally push). How does this explain gravitational lensing? Anyway, push gravity has been shown not to work a long time ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27s_theory_of_gravitation How would this explain electromagnetism? Can you derive Maxwell's equations based on this? It makes more sense than gravity when it comes to gravitational lensing. As light particles...and I use the word particles loosely (sub quark particles)...come close to a large star or galaxy then there is less density in the star than from Dark Matter and so the light is pushed towards the star...or the galaxy. The speed of the light "particles" allows most of them to continue pushing through Dark Matter past the star or galaxy towards us. But lensing occurs just the same. Wow...if you think about it...pressure differences could explain the big bang (expansion...not explosion). Immense Dark Matter pressures could condense observable "stuff" in one area of the infinite Universe to amazing sub-quark levels. Pressures we couldn't even imagine. Hmmm. It could create quite the "expansion". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Electromagnetism? You must be kidding me. I don't understand how that works now... Perhaps you should learn a little more basic science before trying to come up with your own ideas. Otherwise you will not be able to formalise you ideas and test whether or not they work. let alone how it works at the sub quark level. It is largely irrelevant at the quark level. And there is (as far as is known) no "sub-quark" level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what*if? Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 "Anyway, push gravity has been shown not to work a long time ago: http://en.wikipedia...._of_gravitation" Sorry...still learning how to use quotes in a forum. The above quote is not quite true. The thermodynamic problem of push gravity is eliminated if the Universe is infinite in size. (and it must be infinite in size otherwise we have boundary issues.) The energy/gravitation problems are still in dispute...and those, to my mind, are solved by sub-quark "stuff" being squeezed onto different paths by Dark Matter pressure. I am, however, saddened that this push explanation of gravitational forces in the universe was not my idea...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) It makes more sense than gravity when it comes to gravitational lensing. As light particles...and I use the word particles loosely (sub quark particles)...come close to a large star or galaxy then there is less density in the star than from Dark Matter and so the light is pushed towards the star...or the galaxy. The speed of the light "particles" allows most of them to continue pushing through Dark Matter past the star or galaxy towards us. But lensing occurs just the same. Wow...if you think about it...pressure differences could explain the big bang (expansion...not explosion). Immense Dark Matter pressures could condense observable "stuff" in one area of the infinite Universe to amazing sub-quark levels. Pressures we couldn't even imagine. Hmmm. It could create quite the "expansion". There is no value in saying "wow it could X, Y or Z" with no basis for saying that and no justification for it. Edited March 22, 2015 by Strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bignose Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 and those, to my mind, are solved So, not to be too blunt about it, but this doesn't mean much anymore. In peoples' minds, the shape of the earth was solved by being flat, the makeup of the moon was solved by green cheese, and the make up the nature of heat was solved by phlogiston. These were espoused by some of the most powerful and influential people in of their time. And all of these were demonstrated to be false, because the predictions made by these ideas turned out not to agree with what was actually measured. So, this means that we need you to turn your ideas into a model. That model can then be used to make predictions. And then those predictions can be compared to what is actually measured. Because in science, the most preferred ideas are the ones that make the most accurate predictions. Right now, pulling gravity makes the best, most accurate predictions. For us to take push gravity seriously, it needs to be demonstrated that it makes predictions at least as accurately as the current predictions. Can you provide that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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