My take on "top quark condensate theory"

[sunshaker]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_quark_condensate

In particle physics, the top quark condensate theory is an alternative to the Standard Model fundamental Higgs field, replaced by a composite field of the top quark and its antiquark. These are bound together by a new force, analogous to the binding of Cooper pairs in a BCS superconductor, or mesons in the strong interactions. The top quark can "condense" because it is comparatively heavy, with a measured mass is approximately 172-173 GeV (comparable to the electroweak scale), and so its Yukawa coupling is of order unity, yielding the possibility of strong coupling dynamics.

Fields within fields

 

Our quantum, Is someone else's Atomic.

 

Atomic within the quantum, Quantum within the atomic, Everything is relative to our place.

 

Symmetry between the tables.

My Joining of two extended periodic tables z172 (Top Quark to Anti top Quark)

 

 

Each element as a anti partner that adds to 172+1 protons/electrons.

 

A top quark has 173x the mass of a proton. 173 billion electron volts.

 

Each opposing elements have 173 protons (combined mass 173 GeV).

 

 

 

When these tables/quarks join they rebalance out to 172 x 172 +1

Releasing +1 shown in green a particle/quark of mass 172 GeV 172 proton/electrons

 

It is the joining of these tables/quarks that create this composite field of the top/anti quark(172 by 172).

 

 

 

 

This is showing multiple tables/quark joined in a field.

Each Z with a circle is one table/quark.

 

 

Top Quark field.

 

 

 

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[sunshaker]

I have been recently looking at these joined tables has the process for top quarks/anti top quarks 173GeV,

 

When opposing elements/anti elements join each opposing elements add to 173protons, proton/electron numbers, protons 1 GeV, (1 GeV = 1 billion eV) is almost exactly the energy equivalent to the mass of the proton (E=mc²)

 

 

I realized that when they have created top quarks they decay into many particles but nearly always a bottom quark, Which i believe as a mass of 4.32GeV slightly more than 4x mass of proton.

 

What I then thought what is percent of 4.32 of 173 on my opposing tables (top quarks)

I realized they where using beryllium as a target source, berylium is 4 having four protons, which is 4.32% of 173.

http://home.web.cern.ch/about/experiments/na62

173

 

This is where they join, is it also where the split/decay from,

 

I realize I can scale these tables down from atomic/quantum/planck,

 

There are many particles i can see fitting within these tables, ie 11 groups which are in themselves sub atomic particles, 11 divided by 173=15.5 (tau neutrino 15.5mev)

 

It is all down to scales, which I am still trying to understand. Which I know most will not.

To me these tables represent where mass comes from,

 

The limits range from 3.6 (4.3 expected) to 61.1 (43.2 expected) for Higgs masses from 100 to 150 GeV/$c^{2}$, respectively.

http://www2.physics.ox.ac.uk/contacts/people/azfar/publications/5647

Edited November 3, 2014 by sunshaker

[Mordred]

Its excellent work so far but...

 

I have to nention the top quark model has been ruled out when they discovered and confirmed the Higgs boson. They even have enough data now to narrow down the mass of the various quarks. Enough to show that they have different mass. Using that data they have made progress in showing precisely how the neutron and proton has the mass it does. Including the influence of the strong and electroweak force affects the mass.

 

However the work above is still excellent work within the premise of the model itself

 

Here is the paper on the work on neutron and proton mass. The paper includes the quarks. If if search the reference papers you can get the specific research papers on the quarks

http://arxiv.org/abs/1406.4088

I wasn't studying particle physics prior to the Higgs discovery however If my memory serves correctly my impression of the top quark model from forum duscussions was a strong model

[sunshaker]

Its excellent work so far but...

 

I have to nention the top quark model has been ruled out when they discovered and confirmed the Higgs boson. They even have enough data now to narrow down the mass of the various quarks. Enough to show that they have different mass. Using that data they have made progress in showing precisely how the neutron and proton has the mass it does. Including the influence of the strong and electroweak force affects the mass.

 

However the work above is still excellent work within the premise of the model itself

 

Here is the paper on the work on neutron and proton mass. The paper includes the quarks. If if search the reference papers you can get the specific research papers on the quarks

http://arxiv.org/abs/1406.4088

I wasn't studying particle physics prior to the Higgs discovery however If my memory serves correctly my impression of the top quark model from forum duscussions was a strong model

Thanks, glad you can see something

 

I have been trying to read up more on the Higgs, Some of it is yet beyond my understanding,

I am still yet unsure why 125/126GeV is the "Higgs boson" or not just part of another particles decay,

 

The higgs is not measured directly only through decay products, do all decays register?

56% of the time higgs decays into bottom/anti bottom quarks, 6% into tau anti tau pairs, w bozons z bosons neutrinos etc etc, From what i gather it as something to do with have zero spin which makes it the Higgs candidate?

 

Top quarks can decay into fermions/bosons perhaps higgs? I do not yet see what the higgs can do that top quarks cannot,

 

 

Whether Higgs may have first been part of a top quark which the Higgs is part of that decay,

As in above tables 125 is opposite/joins 48 cadmium

Thought there may be a particle found with 48 Gev that (48+125=173GeV) but i don't think there is"yet".

 

I suppose this is the problem when I have little math.

first I need to get a better understanding on "spins",

Also types of decay, and why most of the time decays paths are different.

 

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Edited November 4, 2014 by sunshaker

[Mordred]

Here is one article you will find handy on the Highs as well as the standard and supersymmetric model.

 

This paper specifically covers the SO(10) model. However it is basically the standard model + the Highs sector.

 

To truly learn particle physics though you need to get a good textbook. Probably the best I have come across for the novice is Griffiths Introductory to Cosmology.

 

Keep in mind you will also need QM,QCD and QED. The quarks sector is covered in QCD. QED deals with the electroweak sector. Griffith has a book covering each of these however stops prior to the Highs itself so he doesn't cover the SO(10) itself.

 

Spin is angular momentum but not to be confused with a spinning top think of it this way all particle physics interactions are essentially strength and geometry. The majority of the formulas are geometric in nature. A good text on differential geometry is crucial.

"Roads to Reality by Sir Roger Penrose greatly simplifies the complex

http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/83765-higgs-field-thermodynamic-research-cmb-and-now/#entry811661%22%5Dhttp://www.scienceforums.net/topic/83765-higgs-field-thermodynamic-research-cmb-and-now/%23entry811661

Need to turn off auto correct or add Higgs to my dictionary lol

How particles decay must follow specific rules

 

Conservation of Lepton

Conservation of flavor

Conservation of spin

Conservation of color

Conservation of isospin

 

These form the basis of the Eightfold wayen the meson nonet and the Lepton octect or nonet

Your model must conform to those rules

http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/84470-2nd3rd-generation-atoms/#entry817008

 

This thread has a brief descriptive set of wiki links as well as a brief descriptive of particle generation

You can find some good articles on this page of my website in signature this will take you to the page under development

 

http://cosmology101.wikidot.com/articles

Edited November 4, 2014 by Mordred

[sunshaker]

I have been trying to read up more on the Higgs, Some of it is yet beyond my understanding,

I am still yet unsure why 125/126GeV is the "Higgs boson" or not just part of another particles decay,

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Was the "Higgs" devalued being announced to early? maybe for PR reasons, Should it just have been an unnamed "boson" until it was understood to a greater degree.

Here in this short film they talk about multiple higgs bosons and composite bosons. Surely more research was needed before dishing out the noble prizes.

 

 

 

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[Mordred]

With any theory multiple alternates and variations abound. Highs predicted the need for the Highs. He didn't expect its discovery in his lifetime. Prior to its discovery it was almost a dirty word on forums. Particularly ones I was on. Info on it was extremely hard to find. After its discovery every possible vs

varient is being proposed as many strive to fit the Higgs into his or her model. Fairly typical. Often the easiest articles to Google are also the more controversial. One technique I learned to use on info is look for dissertations. The info in them is typically more main stay.

 

SO(10) is no exception, there is numerous variations further research will narrow those down. In the case of the Higgs there is the unconfirmed possibility of different Highs masses that lead to different mass interactions with exotic particles. These are mainly the MSSM minimal super symmetric models. The standard model has just Highs were all familiar with and its antiparticle

Edited November 12, 2014 by Mordred

[sunshaker]

Top quarks 173 GeV,

As I think the Higgs boson may be from another particles decay (top quarks), I wondered how 126 GeV fit into tables/quarks,

Within these tables i had different thoughts on palladium 46, and its empty valence shell(shown in pink), to me it was a "weak point",

 

What normally happens at weak points(snap/break), 46+46+80+172, 46+126=172

If this happens the table/quark splits at element 46 leaving a block of 126 (126gev Higgs)

 

But then there are 2 weak points, 2 blocks of 46/45=92 Z boson 91.3gev ?

 

Also centre block(46 to 126) 80= W boson 80 gev

 

I still think particles with 45/46 GeV will be found, I have searched but found nothing yet on particles of this mass,

 

 

[sunshaker]

Just a thought,

What and where does a Protons Electron come from?

 

As I see the extended periodic tables as top quarks, When a top/anti top quark join, they rebalance to 172+1 for each opposing elements, Or 28884+172 all combined,

A thought at the moment that this +1 is the electron for each proton.

 

 

 

TABLES REBALANCE

 

 

 

I am unsure how the mass/energy of electron changes from distance of proton/nucleus.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mordred]

Ok lets use the makeup of the proton.

 

Two up and 1 Down quark.

 

The up quark has electromagnetic charge 2/3 e

Down quark -1/3 e

 

2/3+2/3+(-1/3) =+1 e.

The proton is not a neutron + an electron.

 

The mass of each quark also does not account for the majority of the mass of the proton. Only 1% the rest of the mass is due the binding energy of the strong force

[sunshaker]

Ok lets use the makeup of the proton.

 

Two up and 1 Down quark.

 

The up quark has electromagnetic charge 2/3 e

Down quark -1/3 e

 

2/3+2/3+(-1/3) =+1 e.

The proton is not a neutron + an electron.

 

The mass of each quark also does not account for the majority of the mass of the proton. Only 1% the rest of the mass is due the binding energy of the strong force

I am not saying the proton is a neutron+an electron,

I realize a neutron as 1up & 2down quarks.

Also I believe the "rest of the mass" comes from the joining of these tables/top quarks(strong force).

 

What I am saying is when these tables join/rebalance, Each opposing elements release the energy of 1 proton + 1 electron. This rebalancing would produce a lot of energy/heat, So the released protons/electron energy would have to cool before protons/electron can reform.

Sometimes the energy will be positive sometimes negative, it depends which half of the opposing elements the proton/electron is released from.

 

Take this middle section of tables/quarks below,

Radon on left(+)86, Opposing element on right Francium(-)87, there is 1 extra negative proton, So when these two elements rebalance to element Z172 (2 8 8 18 18 32 32 18 18 8 8 2) will release a negative proton/electron

 

It is the joining of these tables/quarks that create this field which some call the "higgs field", which give mass to all particles. up/down.

 

If it is this field that reproduces protons/mass etc from opposing elements, it would be evenly spread producing a homogeneous/ isotropic universe.

[sunshaker]

I am not saying the proton is a neutron+an electron,

I realize a neutron as 1up & 2down quarks.

Also I believe the "rest of the mass" comes from the joining of these tables/top quarks(strong force).

 

What I am saying is when these tables join/rebalance, Each opposing elements release the energy of 1 proton + 1 electron. This rebalancing would produce a lot of energy/heat, So the released protons/electron energy would have to cool before protons/electron can reform.

Sometimes the energy will be positive sometimes negative, it depends which half of the opposing elements the proton/electron is released from.

 

Take this middle section of tables/quarks below,

Radon on left(+)86, Opposing element on right Francium(-)87, there is 1 extra negative proton, So when these two elements rebalance to element Z172 (2 8 8 18 18 32 32 18 18 8 8 2) will release a negative proton/electron

middle table.png

 

 

And as we know the universe popped into existence from something as small as a "proton".

Each opposing elements release this super heated +1, Each +1 an individual universe.

[Mordred]

No that doesn't work, the observable portion of our universe merely started at less than the size of a proton. However that's simply the region of shared causality according to our locations light cone.

 

We don't know the full volume of the universe, it could be finite or infinite. If it's infinite now, it will be infinite in the past.

[sunshaker]

No that doesn't work, the observable portion of our universe merely started at less than the size of a proton. However that's simply the region of shared causality according to our locations light cone.

 

We don't know the full volume of the universe, it could be finite or infinite. If it's infinite now, it will be infinite in the past.

Yes, this +1 is the "observable portion of our universe(started at less than the size of a proton)", which was once part of a other universe, which now expands in an other universe/multiverse,

Infinite universes within universes.

This +1 would hold all information from parent universe, similar to how each part of a hologram contains all information of hologram.

[sunshaker]

Matter / Dark Matter

 

As I believe it is the joining of two tables/top quarks that give us matter/dark matter (universe),

 

There may be 172 possible elements, of these 92 occur naturally (where we are in universe expansion),

 

When I add up all the protons in the naturally occuring elements i get 4232, then if i add up anti protons/positrons shown in red below i get 25444,

This gives me a ratio of 16%matter to 84% dark matter.

 

 

 

dark matter is estimated to constitute 84.5% of the total matter in the Universe, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

left corner shows natural elements (coloured to each group), in red (dark matter)

 

[Sensei]

A top quark has 173x the mass of a proton. 173 billion electron volts.

 

Nope.

 

[math]\frac{m_{top}}{m_p}=\frac{173.34 GeV}{0.938272046 GeV}=184.74386[/math]

 

In science we need to be precise..

Difference by 6.6% is quite a lot.

[sunshaker]

 

Nope.

 

[math]\frac{m_{top}}{m_p}=\frac{173.34 GeV}{0.938272046 GeV}=184.74386[/math]

 

In science we need to be precise..

Difference by 6.6% is quite a lot.

I understand what you say, I am still trying to work out the details.

As you say the rest mass of a proton is 0.938Gev,

 

I am looking at this as a system (JOINING OF TABLES/TOP QUARKS) From what I understand when you add energy to a system, the rest mass of the system increases while the rest mass of individual particles does not change,

 

I believe it is the joining of these tables which add kinetic energy to the system that gives the top quarks the mass of 173gev. Which I have taken as 1 gev per proton instead of rest mass of 0.938,

 

If a proton had 1gev before joining of these tables/quarks the kinetic energy produced by this joining would put it passed the173GEV of top quarks,

 

I believe maybe because how most periodic tables are set out that we do not look at it as a "complete system/entity" but as individual elements.

I know there is much yet to work out about mass at rest or in acceleration and this still all relies on there being a possible 172 chemical elements.

[Sensei]

Rest mass = invariant mass of particles don't change.

Single proton always have 938.272 MeV rest mass-energy.

What is changing is kinetic energy of these particles.

 

Masses of particles, and isotopes, are measured in mass spectrometer. They're pretty reliable. Uncertainty is at 5-6 digits after floating point in MeV (which is couple +- eV).

Edited March 7, 2015 by Sensei