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#1 Aman shah

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 04:39 PM

Hi friends I am inventing gravity engine.I will post more updates
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#2 Perpetual Motion

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 08:33 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but the force/power you put in is equal to what you will get out.
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 11:26 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but the force/power you put in is equal to what you will get out.


Due to losses in the system, you will always get out less than you put in.
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Posted 1 December 2011 - 12:48 AM

Hi friends I am inventing gravity engine.I will post more updates




Play with the math: http://www.esa.int/e...0L6OVGJE_0.html
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Posted 1 December 2011 - 09:30 AM

I've also invented a gravity engine. I sat down under a tree, and waited for an apple to fall onto my head.

I did not put in any energy to get the apple up in the tree, yet it somehow managed to gain enough kinetic energy to cause me a serious bump on the head when it came back down again.

This is an attempt at a joke, and deliberately contains mistakes.
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 02:08 PM

Hi friends I am inventing gravity engine.I will post more updates



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Posted 12 December 2011 - 02:58 PM

Hi friends I am inventing gravity engine.I will post more updates

I think it's all downhill from here.
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#8 Aman shah

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 10:58 AM

Just wanted to share this,Please share the below very very important article with as many people as possible:

A real gravity /magnetic engine is not a Perpectual motion machine!I am myself inventing a non -Perpectual gravity engine!People think falsely that gravity and magnetic engines are impossible but it is not true!They are mostly mislead by cheaters claiming to invent Perpectual machines or claiming to invent such engine that are Perpectual for us!These cheaters and non intelluctual conventional minded people have made our scientists life miserable.Very little people believe in us real scientists because of the psycological thinking that gravity / magnetic engines are Perpectual!It seems these people including most professors have stopped thinking the reality and are only bookish.Though complex,the most simplest principle/way to make use of gravity is impulsive energy when a heavy ball falls over a light weight object(Example : basket ball net) in between.I am inventing my own gravity engine based on this impulsive energy concept using proper force distribution and gravitaitional amplification,inspired from nature and flywheels
Reminding once again:My engine is not Perpectual!
Don't be dump:Spread awareness about real gravity engines which are not Perpectual!Ask people never get mislead by cheaters claiming to invent Perpectual motion machines!Let me tell you that there might be only 20 real gravity/magnetic engines inventors,all others are cheaters!
I am not posting spam,those cheaters are posting spams!
The internet community should explain the reality to other people!Dont simply tell people that free energy engines exist:Unless you explain them that these engines are not Perpectual and you can use impulsive energy concept intelligently,no one will believe in us!And try to spread my message to atleast 20 famous websites each of you!Be aware of spams and cheaters like this:
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/sge.htm
and tell people that they are been mislead by such spams!Encourage only real authentic inventors like me!And I wil like to know whether most of you really know what is meant by a"Perpectual motion machine".Please understand the concepts of physics!
My Non Perpectual engine does not violate any laws of thermaodynamics!Since its not a Perpectual machine!
If you all will do what I say,the day is not far when your children will see IC engines in museums,and will never go to any fuel filling station!But we only need your effort in right direction,not just some statements which don't explain the reality!A magnetic engine is also possible.Photons compress atomic particles to store compressed energy in them as nuclear energy,but it's not easy to make such engines.It requires a highly intellectual brain!

Analogous Principle of working of my Non Perpectual gravity engine:

This is "Gravity-Piston Impulse Kinetic Power Technology".
Let's assume that,you spent energy to take object up,and regain supplied energy when object comes down PLUS gravitational amplification occurs when that object (Lets take example of basket ball)hits a basket ball net with small hole at bottom.When the basket ball hits the net,the net sets in vibration due to IMPULSIVE energy(gravitational amplification) .Assume that the net is piezo electric elastic material which converts impulsive energy to electrical energy!The basket ball net is analogous to 4 flywheels I used in my original engine design.(I use pusher rods to transmit energy to flywheels in my original design).
Instead of heavy ball,I use heavy pistons and special force distribution technique,not disclosed here.
I can't disclose the whole concept to general public because I am applying for patent:There are ready diagrams relating to my idea,but i fear some one could copy.Hence,I am explaining my invention through an analogous Example!
My engine design is Non- Perpectual and inspired from nature,hence there are no chances of failure of my Non Perpectual gravity engine.

So what's according to me is gravity amplification : Additional gravitational energy stored in a descending body when gravity acts on it!

This leads to Impulsive energy transfer!
Let me know what do you think about the principle of operation of my engine?

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I've also invented a gravity engine. I sat down under a tree, and waited for an apple to fall onto my head.

I did not put in any energy to get the apple up in the tree, yet it somehow managed to gain enough kinetic energy to cause me a serious bump on the head when it came back down again.

This is an attempt at a joke, and deliberately contains mistakes.


Ha ha ha,it was a joke,but I am serious in what I am talking about my invention!
You know what,exactly what I expected was people will think that this guy is talking about gravity engine means he is talking about Perpectual motion machines!This is Over estimation,was done by most of you!The problem with most of guys is you don't try to understand the reality and overestimate most things!Some idiot people told you guys that gravity engines don't exist because they are Perpectual ,which you accepted without proof and thinking!See I have proof of my concept as discussed in the Principle of operation of my Non- Perpectual gravity engine!I am not dump,I know that Perpectual machines cannot exist!But hello people,nobody told you that creating Non-Perpectual gravity engines is impossible?Its difficult but possible to invent gravity engines!I have seen many sleepless nights for thinking about my invention and finetunning it!The most critical and difficult challenge was to convert static gravitational energy in to dynamic gravitational energy,which was possible through impulsive energy!You know what,actually I enjoyed your baseless and overestimated funny comments!

Edited by Aman shah, 10 March 2012 - 11:40 AM.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 11:51 AM

I can't wait

I think it would have been better if we had all waited longer.
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#10 Aman shah

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:20 PM

Dear moderator,Can I change the name of this thread to "Real Non-Pepectual Gravity engines"?Is it possible!No problem if it is not possible!I am a new member so I don't know few rules!Excuse me if I should'nt have written this here!

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I think it would have been better if we had all waited longer.


Really sorry for making you wait long!I had to fine tune my engine!What will be interesting to know from you is what you think about the analogous(similar)principle of operation of my engines!I could have explained the whole engine with diagrams but patent processing demands not to disclose all secrets before getting patent,hence I have used analogous principle of operation of my engine!Anyway,Thanks for the interest!

Thank you for putting my discussion into speculation,since I can learn more from people's comments!It's obvious to me that this topic will be speculation for you because it's different and new for you!
But scientifically,my gravity engine is not Perpectual and should be in Engineering and physics category and not in Speculation category!I hope that people will understand my topic and the topic will be moved at a latter stage into mainstream science category!But one thing everyone should admit that my thread is much much less hypothetical than a Perpectual motion machine!In fact,if some one posts a thread related to Perpectual machines,I will put his/her thread in to dust bin, instead of speculation without reading his/her thread!

Edited by Aman shah, 10 March 2012 - 12:27 PM.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:32 PM

Can someone point out where the designs are, I can't see them... of course they might just not be there, it's hard to tell through the text.
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:47 PM

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Can someone point out where the designs are, I can't see them... of course they might just not be there, it's hard to tell through the text.


Hi,Klaynos,I have discussed Analogy of my engine under principle of operation of my Non-Perpectual Gravity engine(Underlined)!Due to patent processing,I am not able to leak out actual diagrams of my gravity engine!Analogous principle Means "an example principle of working ,similar to the original principle of working"!Only for your convinience,I am copying important description from my 2nd comment here:Analogous Principle of working of my Non Perpectual gravity engine:
This is "Gravity-Piston Impulse Kinetic Power Technology".
Let's assume that,you spent energy to take object up,and regain supplied energy when object comes down PLUS gravitational amplification occurs when that object (Lets take example of basket ball)hits a basket ball net with small hole at bottom.When the basket ball hits the net,the net sets in vibration due to IMPULSIVE energy(gravitational amplification) .Assume that the net is piezo electric elastic material which converts impulsive energy to electrical energy!The basket ball net is analogous to 4 flywheels I used in my original engine design.(I use pusher rods to transmit energy to flywheels in my original design).
Instead of heavy ball,I use heavy pistons and special force distribution technique,not disclosed here........................................
It will be advisable to read my second comment fully!
And yes,my engine is not Perpectual!

Edited by Aman shah, 10 March 2012 - 01:32 PM.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 01:15 PM

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Hi,I have discussed Analogy of my engine under principle of operation of my Non-Perpectual Gravity engine(Underlined)!Due to patent processing,I am not able to leak out actual diagrams of my gravity engine!Analogous principle Means "an example principle of working ,similar to the original principle of working"!


Without any designs it is well neigh impossible to critique, I therefore feel we'll be unable to help you.
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 01:58 PM

It's ok,however,just go through the explanation I have given!I am feeling bad that patent processing regulations are not allowing me to disclose every thing,because a patent is granted only for uniqueness and information not leaked outside!However,I have explained the Anology of principle of operation which you might go through!
Once Patent is granted,all patent documents/information will be automatically provided on internet!Just see the analogy I have posted!See,if you can point out anything!

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Without any designs it is well neigh impossible to critique, I therefore feel we'll be unable to help you.


It's ok,however,just go through the explanation I have given!I am feeling bad that patent processing regulations are not allowing me to disclose every thing,because a patent is granted only for uniqueness and information not leaked outside!However,I have explained the Anology of principle of operation which you might go through!
Once Patent is granted,all patent documents/information will be automatically provided on internet!Just see the analogy I have posted!See,if you can point out anything!

Here is another analogy of my engine(analogious principle means similar principle):
This is "Gravity-Piston Impulse Kinetic Power Technology". Its like releasing a heavy ball over a small light weight ball at some distance from earth surface in vacuum.This means without any considerable reduction of speed of bigger ball travelling towards ground,the smaller balls get extra energy due to gravitational amplification.Well my engine works on a similar principle.In other words ,it works on the principle of Gravitational Amplification. .What exactly happens is somewhat very smilar to this equation: " Impulsive gravitational energy absorbed and used by light weight small ball from the heavy ball due to gravitational amplification + standard gravity (9.8) ;as output Electricity (converted)= small loss of big ball due to Impulse resistance /back reactance + energy equivalent to go against standard gravity +fictional energy loss + Impulsive energy applied due to gravitational amplification. " AT first,i intend to produce products only for domestic use and as a camping accessory.I am doing more research for increasing power output so that it can be used in future in cars.My engine uses heavy weight piston,gears , 4 flywheels in unconventional different way and pusher rods,but not balls.It was necessary for me to take example of ball to explain my basic idea I used in my concept .(the ball system is very much analogous to the piston-gear system I am using in my engine). NOTE:This is not a Perpectual Motion Machine,this is a real Working Gravity fueled engine.Here,Gravitational amplification means:Additional gravitational energy stored in a descending body when gravity acts on it!

Edited by Aman shah, 10 March 2012 - 02:57 PM.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 04:36 PM

Can you please explain mathematically what gravitational amplification is?

If you lift a ball up 1m and drop it the maximum extractable energy from it falling 1m even if you collect EVERYTHING will still be equal to the energy required to lift it 1m.
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 06:11 PM

Posted ImageOk,I will try to explain like this:
Let's put it this way:take an other example not related to gravityengine.Whenever you push door,the door moves further than you intend to!Why?because of excess energy stored!Now,if u keep any ball in front of door on the floor,due to opening/pushing of door,the ball will get impulsive energy to move forward!
Yes,that means gravitational energy utilised to pull the ball towards earth by the earth's magnetic field is much much more than energy required to lift it!
So gravitational amplification is basically the excess energy gravity stores in a falling body like heavy ball!This can be used as impulsive energy by special and simple technique(probably a secret ,not to be disclosed here until I get patent)!

Well if you are not aware,Impulsive energy is very high integral of sudden energies in a short time!According to wikipedia,Impulse (physics), in mechanics, something that changes the momentum of an object; the integral of a force with respect to time

Edited by Aman shah, 10 March 2012 - 06:25 PM.

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#17 Aman shah

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 07:52 AM

Waiting for your reply,Klaynos!Posted Image

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Play with the math: http://www.esa.int/e...0L6OVGJE_0.html


Play with the math is really very interesting!Thanks for the website link!Gravity equivalent of magnetic field in lab!wow!Fantastic
Any way,gravity is still a mystery,no one has understood it fully:Einstein's space time gravity curves theories,gravity field theories,etc.....So many theories,5 different versions of Quantum string theories :This is confusions and complex!I am wondering which is true theory of gravity!Enginieers and we use gravity in many devices and many ways!but we haven't understood it fully!Every attractive force is mystery.To solve it scientists proposed particles like Bosons and Gravitons!

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 10:34 AM

Posted ImageOk,I will try to explain like this:
Let's put it this way:take an other example not related to gravityengine.Whenever you push door,the door moves further than you intend to!Why?because of excess energy stored!


No, it moves further because you pushed it too hard. All of the energy that the moving door has comes from you. Assuming that that it is level, if it is not then the energy came from both you and the person who last closed it working against gravity.

Now,if u keep any ball in front of door on the floor,due to opening/pushing of door,the ball will get impulsive energy to move forward!


The energy in the ball comes from you pushing the door. There is no new energy here.

Yes,that means gravitational energy utilised to pull the ball towards earth by the earth's magnetic field is much much more than energy required to lift it!


How do you come to that conclusion? Where is your maths that shows this to be true? The earths magnetic field really isn't great enough to do that kind of thing. Also, the field lines are in the wrong direction, if I've understood your description well enough. Figures would probably aid this.

So gravitational amplification is basically the excess energy gravity stores in a falling body like heavy ball!


There is no excess energy. Where do you think this energy comes from?

This can be used as impulsive energy by special and simple technique(probably a secret ,not to be disclosed here until I get patent)!


You will never get out more than you put in by moving the object upwards. Sorry, that's the simple fact of the matter.

Well if you are not aware,Impulsive energy is very high integral of sudden energies in a short time!According to wikipedia,Impulse (physics), in mechanics, something that changes the momentum of an object; the integral of a force with respect to time


I am familiar with impulse, but it doesn't create energy from nowhere.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 11:25 AM

Aman, if, as you say, you think the explanation you have given is a good enough basis to critique your ideas then it's good enough to invalidate any patent.
So you might as well explain, clearly, exactly what you are talking about.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 11:41 AM

John,I don't think so,Have you seen the analogous principle of my engine I have stated in my second comment!Have you tried to understand it,before making this comment?Here's another big news:3 students at BiTS pilani,Rajasthan,India have already invented a working gravity engine!I don't know how it works.Do have any quarries related to the physics principles I used and discussed in my first comment!The reason I am not able to leak out diagrams is the patent processing!Hence instead of explaining the exact process,I have explained the principle I have used to operate my engine!Your comment about patent is baseless !I understand that Diagrams and more details are required but until patent is granted,law suggests not to leak out everything!
What I have done is try to explain "On what principle my engine runs"in the first comment itself!
The patent document will contain every details,involving each and every component,diagrams,may be photo of prototype!It's better to discuss about the principle on which my engine runs rather than the validity of patent!It won't include analogous principle I discussed here!

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No, it moves further because you pushed it too hard. All of the energy that the moving door has comes from you. Assuming that that it is level, if it is not then the energy came from both you and the person who last closed it working against gravity.



The energy in the ball comes from you pushing the door. There is no new energy here.



How do you come to that conclusion? Where is your maths that shows this to be true? The earths magnetic field really isn't great enough to do that kind of thing. Also, the field lines are in the wrong direction, if I've understood your description well enough. Figures would probably aid this.



There is no excess energy. Where do you think this energy comes from?



You will never get out more than you put in by moving the object upwards. Sorry, that's the simple fact of the matter.



I am familiar with impulse, but it doesn't create energy from nowhere.


I think you misunderstood the concept!The additional energy given to heavy falling ball by gravity is always present at a height!It depends on us how to use it!Disagreeing with such energy means disagreeing the concept of impulsive energy and potential energy to kinetic energy conversion!
I am not telling about new energy!No one is producing any new energy!Its only conversion of one type of energy to other:That is what NON-Perpectual is.I am only extracting energy which otherwise could be wasted when the heavy ball hits the ground and bumps over the floor!
I would say a gravity engine only converts that impulsive gravity energy in to useful energy!It does not generate energy!No body can generate energy!The fuel used is gravity!it takes the advantage that the energy supplied by gravity on falling body to pull towards floor is much much greater than energy required to simply lift it!There is difference between the words pushing up and simply lifting up!.
I don't think this explanation is so difficult to understand!

Edited by Aman shah, 11 March 2012 - 12:22 PM.

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