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#41 MarieTharpRocks

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 08:39 AM

I think we can all agree that there is a lot of "weirdness" that gets attributed to celestial phenomena.
Not too long ago people used to think that comets were harbingers of godly doom. ( even in the freaking 90's with those Nike shoe wearing Heaven's Gate peeps).
There is a definite crossover between superstition, religion, and pyschology.
Meaning, we have this superstition of the big bad full moon.
We then, have people that do ritualistic things during a full moon,
We then, have psychologists that try to help all these people.

The gravitational pull of the moon does effect our tides.
This much we know as fact.
Further than that?
Nothing has been proven empirically that the moon effects our brain chemistry.

Because that's what our brains are.
Chemical machines.
For something to "mess with them" , it would have to be something directly attributable to our neurological chemistry.
Drugs do this, genetics do this, as can certain environmental factors.

But thus far, we haven't been able to equate the slight gravitational pull of the moon, into real chemical fluctuations in our minds.
We know gravity can affect our bodies , but it has to be of a certain force for it to do so.

The full moon wives tale , is a bit of self-fulfilling prophecy and a bunch of other possible sociological, spiritualistic, and psychological scenarios that cause us to make mountains out of nothing.
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#42 MonDie

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 05:44 PM

These celestial cycles probably do affect our circadian rhythms, which would result in biochemical changes.  Cortisol peaks in the morning during the "cortisol awakening response" and then cortisol gradually drops over the course of the day.  Whereas cortisol has a diurnal cycle, testosterone has a semidiurnal cycle.  The cortisol cycle takes a few days to adjust to a disrupted sleep schedule, but renin-aldosterone activity is intimately tied to sleep phases with aldosterone dropping during REM sleep and rising during non-REM sleep.  The hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis and renin-angiotensin-aldosterone axis are both related to mental disorders and perhaps bipolar disorder particularly.  Don't forget that we probably aren't the only organisms with these internal cycles.  We are immersed in and dependent upon the entire ecosystem.

Of course our modern world provides more ways to block out these natural cycles, but not everybody takes advantage of this.  Those noisy rascles nextdoor might start waking you up sooner when the sun starts rising sooner.  The seasonal cycles have more obvious effects that could explain the popularity of "sun-sign" astrology, which uses the month of your birth, but I wouldn't entirely discount the moon phases.  People might prefer to stay out late at the beach when there is a giant night-light in the sky creating giant waves.  On the other hand, they might prefer the new moon so that they will not be seen.  It was thought that womens' menstrual cycles were tied to the moon phases, but this effect, if it were ever real at all, might be weakening as women utilize the power of birth control.

But I repeat.  Astrology relies on much, much more than the seasons and moon phases, most of which could not be accounted for by modern astrophysics.


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Posted 22 April 2017 - 03:41 PM

 

 

The findings of modern psychology are based on evidence. He claimed that what you say is contradicted by that evidence. This is not an argument from authority. 

Quacks also use evidence to support their claims. Modern psychology is a modern form of quackery.

 

Also, I don't even see how anything I said contradicted modern psychology in the first place. He didn't even bother to make an argument or point out what he disagreed with.


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Posted 22 April 2017 - 08:05 PM

Quacks also use evidence to support their claims. Modern psychology is a modern form of quackery.

 

Also, I don't even see how anything I said contradicted modern psychology in the first place. He didn't even bother to make an argument or point out what he disagreed with.

Alright alright fine. 
I'll point out what I disagree with.


1. Basically, the human being is a pent-up collection of pent-up continually repressed natures and instincts.

2. It regulates itself due to social norms and fear of social exclusions.

3. Give it any excuse to go wild, and it will.

 

4. That's one of the reasons humans drink booze...booze gives it "permission" to act wild.

5. If there's one thing I know about humans, it's that they love avoiding taking responsibility for their actions.

 

6. So the "full-moon" legends allow people to see the full-moon, giving them a subliminal slip of restraint, letting themselves go wild.

7. So then when they sober they can avoid responsibility, and say the full-moon did it...and not acknowledge the real reason, is that society restricts and regulates most of their animal desires and instincts, and they are so repressed and pent up that even the slightest thing could let them go wild.

1. No it isn't. The human mind has the cognitive ability to repress instinct in many different ways. The most common one with through logic. They logically know that they should stop at a road and look both ways. But that doesn't pent up their repressed instinct to just keep walking while looking. Now obviously, not everyone stops, but it's a vague example.

2. What regulates itself? And what about all those people who could care less about social norms?

 

4. Humans drink booze because they like the feeling of being drunk, do it because the people around them are doing it, or simply to take away their pain. Not so that they can go wild without a reason. You're still responsible if you damage something whether you're drunk or not.

5. No argument there.

 

6. There is no evidence of a subliminal slip in restraint. Please show me some.

7. "Acknowledge"(FTFY) I've never heard someone try to get out of trouble by claiming the full moon did it. And if I went to my parents claiming the full moon did it, I'd receive a swift kick to the rear. 

 

Now, what are some of these animal instincts that are supposedly being suppressed?

To run around naked and bang on your chest?


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Posted 22 April 2017 - 08:11 PM

Alright alright fine. 
I'll point out what I disagree with.


1. No it isn't. The human mind has the cognitive ability to repress instinct in many different ways. The most common one with through logic. They logically know that they should stop at a road and look both ways. But that doesn't pent up their repressed instinct to just keep walking while looking. Now obviously, not everyone stops, but it's a vague example.

2. What regulates itself? And what about all those people who could care less about social norms?

 

4. Humans drink booze because they like the feeling of being drunk, do it because the people around them are doing it, or simply to take away their pain. Not so that they can go wild without a reason. You're still responsible if you damage something whether you're drunk or not.

5. No argument there.

 

6. There is no evidence of a subliminal slip in restraint. Please show me some.

7. "Acknowledge"(FTFY) I've never heard someone try to get out of trouble by claiming the full moon did it. And if I went to my parents claiming the full moon did it, I'd receive a swift kick to the rear. 

 

Now, what are some of these animal instincts that are supposedly being suppressed?

To run around naked and bang on your chest?

 

2. By social norms I mean also to avoid punishment by society and that is why they obey social norms. This fear of society is embedded them in an early age like religion.

4. I never said it was the only reason i said it was one reason. And people do stupid things when they are drunk like drive drunk. And you cant honestly tell me that they dont know that drunk driving isnt against the rules.

 

6. the folk lore legend subliminally implants on them.

7. By the time they sober up they are too sober to confidently say to alpha-male authorities that the moon made them do it. But before they did the crime they thought it might work as an excuse. When around authorities human feel submissive and less concerned about their own problems. For instance someone could be starving and rob a store, but when surrounded by News and media they feel shame because they feel submissive to the alpha-male authority. And the submissive role is to support the Alpha and focus less on their own problems. And so they dont have the courage to forge an excuse to their behavior, since they are in submissive/supportive mode.


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Posted 22 April 2017 - 09:07 PM

 

2. By social norms I mean also to avoid punishment by society and that is why they obey social norms. This fear of society is embedded them in an early age like religion.

4. I never said it was the only reason i said it was one reason. And people do stupid things when they are drunk like drive drunk. And you cant honestly tell me that they dont know that drunk driving isnt against the rules.

 

6. the folk lore legend subliminally implants on them.

7. By the time they sober up they are too sober to confidently say to alpha-male authorities that the moon made them do it. But before they did the crime they thought it might work as an excuse. When around authorities human feel submissive and less concerned about their own problems. For instance someone could be starving and rob a store, but when surrounded by News and media they feel shame because they feel submissive to the alpha-male authority. And the submissive role is to support the Alpha and focus less on their own problems. And so they dont have the courage to forge an excuse to their behavior, since they are in submissive/supportive mode.

You didn't answer all my points. Just a select few. Answer the rest.


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Posted 23 April 2017 - 03:32 PM

You didn't answer all my points. Just a select few. Answer the rest.

I answered the majority of your points.

 

To answer your last point, one thing that is being repressed is to punch people who irritate you. 


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Posted 23 April 2017 - 09:58 PM

I answered the majority of your points.

 

To answer your last point, one thing that is being repressed is to punch people who irritate you. 

Most people get through their whole lives having never beaten the crap out of someone.

According to your theory, they should all start becoming murderous idiots whenever the full moon comes out or they drink alcohol.


 

2. By social norms I mean also to avoid punishment by society and that is why they obey social norms. This fear of society is embedded them in an early age like religion.

4. I never said it was the only reason i said it was one reason. And people do stupid things when they are drunk like drive drunk. And you cant honestly tell me that they dont know that drunk driving isnt against the rules.

 

6. the folk lore legend subliminally implants on them.

7. By the time they sober up they are too sober to confidently say to alpha-male authorities that the moon made them do it. But before they did the crime they thought it might work as an excuse. When around authorities human feel submissive and less concerned about their own problems. For instance someone could be starving and rob a store, but when surrounded by News and media they feel shame because they feel submissive to the alpha-male authority. And the submissive role is to support the Alpha and focus less on their own problems. And so they dont have the courage to forge an excuse to their behavior, since they are in submissive/supportive mode.

You know what?

I consent. 

You're correct and right 100% absolutely.

Just let me out of this argument.


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 05:50 PM

Most people get through their whole lives having never beaten the crap out of someone.

According to your theory, they should all start becoming murderous idiots whenever the full moon comes out or they drink alcohol.

My theory implied no such thing. My intent was to imply that the moon only caused a subtle subliminal effect.


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 06:03 PM

My theory implied no such thing. My intent was to imply that the moon only caused a subtle subliminal effect.

Your theory is wrong.


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 07:16 PM

Your theory is wrong.

But this is a blatant contradiction. You just said my theory is 100% right.


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