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I think the facts are in dispute

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According to national survey, 72 percent of doctors believe miracles have occurred compared to 86 percent of the general public.

Today, 70 percent of physicians and 85 percent of general public believe a miracle is possible now.

When asked about prayer, 54 percent of doctors say they pray for their patients to get better.

Check the links below for studies on medical miracles.

The two studies were conducted by HCD Research during December 5-7 among 1,100 physicians, and 854 members of the general public to obtain their perceptions of faith, prayer and miracles in the medical field and everyday life.

 

A British medical journal study finds prayer by others helped people in the hospital even though patients didn’t know they were being prayed for.

Two randomised controlled trials of remote intercessory prayer (praying for persons unknown) showed a beneficial effect in patients in an intensive coronary care unit

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Science already has explained the prime creator. It's called psychology.

How would you know they're not just full of hot air?     Although a higher power that could affect gravity would be pretty awesome. Until you ran out of atmosphere.

I'm not convinced we would notice... if the true percentage was taken up....

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I think the facts are in dispute

Here are some other facts

 

According to national survey, 72 percent of doctors believe miracles have occurred compared to 86 percent of the general public.

Today, 70 percent of physicians and 85 percent of general public believe a miracle is possible now.

When asked about prayer, 54 percent of doctors say they pray for their patients to get better.

Check the links below for studies on medical miracles.

The two studies were conducted by HCD Research during December 5-7 among 1,100 physicians, and 854 members of the general public to obtain their perceptions of faith, prayer and miracles in the medical field and everyday life.

 

A British medical journal study finds prayer by others helped people in the hospital even though patients didn’t know they were being prayed for.

Two randomised controlled trials of remote intercessory prayer (praying for persons unknown) showed a beneficial effect in patients in an intensive coronary care unit

 

 

How many people believe something has nothing to do with it's veracity....

 

please provide a link to the British Medical Journal article...

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Prayer worked 4 to 10 years after the hospital stay?

 

 

 

 

 

What this study adds

What this study adds Remote intercessory prayer said for a group of patients is associated with a shorter hospital stay and shorter duration of fever in patients with a bloodstream infection, even when the intervention is performed 4–10 years after the infection

 

 

It seems it does have some critics...

 

 

Retroactive intercessory prayer

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on_intercessory_prayer

 

A 2001 study by Leonard Leibovici used records of 3393 patients who developed blood infections at the Rabin Medical Center from 1990-1996 to studyretroactive intercessory prayer.[23] To compound the alleged miraculous power of prayer itself, the prayers were performed after the patients had already left the hospital. All 3393 patients were those in the hospital between 1990 and 1996, and the prayers were conducted in 2000. Two of the outcomes, length of stay in the hospital and duration of fever, were found to be significantly improved in the intervention group, implying that prayer can even change events in the past. However, the "mortality rate was lower in the intervention group, but the difference between the groups was not significant." Leibovici concluded that "Remote, retroactive intercessory prayer was associated with a shorter stay in hospital and a shorter duration of fever in patients with a bloodstream infection." Leibovici goes on to note that in the past, people knew the way to prevent diseases (he cites scurvy) without understanding why it worked. In saying so, he suggests that if prayer truly does have a positive effect on patients in hospital, then there may be a naturalist explanation for it that we do not yet understand. After many scientists and scholars criticized this retroactive study,[24] Leibovici later stated that it was "intended lightheartedly to illustrate the importance of asking research questions that fit with scientific models."[25]

 

 

It even seems the author of the study had second thoughts about his methodology....

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You want irrefutable evidence of God overseeing this reality,

maybe God valued people who had faith in a higher power

instead of people who wanted everything proven to the extreme.

The body of evidence for a higher power is overwhelming,

he was nailed on the cross and will return soon then you will

believe, I guarantee it.

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You want irrefutable evidence of God overseeing this reality,

maybe God valued people who had faith in a higher power

instead of people who wanted everything proven to the extreme.

The body of evidence for a higher power is overwhelming,

he was nailed on the cross and will return soon then you will

believe, I guarantee it.

 

 

The body of evidence for a higher power is so completely underwhelming you have no evidence what so ever, if you did you would have given it by now!

 

You cannot guarantee anything supernatural semjase, I suspect you are too intelligent not to realize that by now...

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