boris_73 Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 its hard to put the danger it can cause in words, heres an example if you have ever seen a building which has been destroyed by a gas explosion you will see the building is nearly completly flat and that is with out the aid of an oxidiser except for air where as oxy-hydrogen use's a very good oxidiser 100% oxygen this will create a bigger explosion as it feed's the explosion, the danger is the very rapid expansion of gasses this is capable of doing damage, also if you have ever watched brainiac they are constantly blowing things up one of them was a caravan they filed two weather ballons up one with oxygen one with a flammable gas, after it went of there was just debry around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 its hard to put the danger it can cause in words, heres an example if you have ever seen a building which has been destroyed by a gas explosion you will see the building is nearly completly flat and that is with out the aid of an oxidiser except for air where as oxy-hydrogen use's a very good oxidiser 100% oxygen this will create a bigger explosion as it feed's the explosion, the danger is the very rapid expansion of gasses this is capable of doing damage, also if you have ever watched brainiac they are constantly blowing things up one of them was a caravan they filed two weather ballons up one with oxygen one with a flammable gas, after it went of there was just debry around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted November 16, 2004 Author Share Posted November 16, 2004 i spose, that is very large quantities of it though. anyway, how could we use hydrogen (H) and oxygen (O) to form H2O2 instead of the normal H2O? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted November 16, 2004 Author Share Posted November 16, 2004 i spose, that is very large quantities of it though. anyway, how could we use hydrogen (H) and oxygen (O) to form H2O2 instead of the normal H2O? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdurg Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 I think "oxy-hydrogen" is the slang name for a perfect stoichiometric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gas. In a perfect stoichiometic mixture, the explosion tends to be more violent because the gasses are mixed in the proper proportions to make the end molecule. Therefore, the reacting molecules don't really have to look too far to find their "mate". Oxy-hydrogen is quite dangerous and prone to violent combustion. A small static spark, or any ignition source will make it explode very loudly and very violently. (This is a standard demo in any good chemistry gas. Balloons of just hydrogen are ignited, and then balloons of just oxygen are ignited. Next, a balloon of a little bit of hydrogen and air mixed together are ignited. This produces a louder boom than the just hydrogen balloon. At the end, they fill a balloon with the perfect mixture of hydrogen and oxygen and a VERY loud and VERY big fireball ensues). Another scary thing is that if you have any platinum at all near the oxy-hydrogen, it can ignite. I filled a small balloon with some electrolyzed water, then popped it with a length of platinum wire attached to a yardstick. Just the presence of the platinum when penetrating the balloon made it ignite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdurg Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 I think "oxy-hydrogen" is the slang name for a perfect stoichiometric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gas. In a perfect stoichiometic mixture, the explosion tends to be more violent because the gasses are mixed in the proper proportions to make the end molecule. Therefore, the reacting molecules don't really have to look too far to find their "mate". Oxy-hydrogen is quite dangerous and prone to violent combustion. A small static spark, or any ignition source will make it explode very loudly and very violently. (This is a standard demo in any good chemistry gas. Balloons of just hydrogen are ignited, and then balloons of just oxygen are ignited. Next, a balloon of a little bit of hydrogen and air mixed together are ignited. This produces a louder boom than the just hydrogen balloon. At the end, they fill a balloon with the perfect mixture of hydrogen and oxygen and a VERY loud and VERY big fireball ensues). Another scary thing is that if you have any platinum at all near the oxy-hydrogen, it can ignite. I filled a small balloon with some electrolyzed water, then popped it with a length of platinum wire attached to a yardstick. Just the presence of the platinum when penetrating the balloon made it ignite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 oh' date=' so is it mainly water???? why the extra tube part and final water thing?[/quote'] Come on man please read it next time, everything is said in there. You can also use palladium for this, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 oh' date=' so is it mainly water???? why the extra tube part and final water thing?[/quote'] Come on man please read it next time, everything is said in there. You can also use palladium for this, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted November 17, 2004 Author Share Posted November 17, 2004 no, i meant the KOH and H2O solution, is it pure H2O and also how strong it the solution, what ratio of each KOH and H2O? ^ that i couldn't see in the article ^ other than that, i get it all now, thanks! i'll re-ask, how can we get the H and the O to form H2O2 instead of the normal H2O? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted November 17, 2004 Author Share Posted November 17, 2004 no, i meant the KOH and H2O solution, is it pure H2O and also how strong it the solution, what ratio of each KOH and H2O? ^ that i couldn't see in the article ^ other than that, i get it all now, thanks! i'll re-ask, how can we get the H and the O to form H2O2 instead of the normal H2O? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 lol. yeah i had to get the url for that page as it didnt load right. pure water doesnt conduct, the ratio isnt that important, about 50% KOH(which is normaly 50% water anyway) will do fine, to get h2o2 you have to use o3 bubbled through water, its not that easy to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 lol. yeah i had to get the url for that page as it didnt load right. pure water doesnt conduct, the ratio isnt that important, about 50% KOH(which is normaly 50% water anyway) will do fine, to get h2o2 you have to use o3 bubbled through water, its not that easy to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted November 17, 2004 Author Share Posted November 17, 2004 ozone or o3 isnt that hard to make, and then just bubble it through water for H2O... anyone up for making it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted November 17, 2004 Author Share Posted November 17, 2004 ozone or o3 isnt that hard to make, and then just bubble it through water for H2O... anyone up for making it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 decompose permanganic anhydride if you want ozone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 decompose permanganic anhydride if you want ozone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdurg Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Ozone is not hard to make. It's just a bitch to contain since like fluorine, it wants to react with EVERYTHING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdurg Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Ozone is not hard to make. It's just a bitch to contain since like fluorine, it wants to react with EVERYTHING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 yeha making o3 isnt hard, but in a high amount you will be a while, uv arcing main ways to make, cost you for the maker tho, but u can make on using a neon transformer and have that arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 yeha making o3 isnt hard, but in a high amount you will be a while, uv arcing main ways to make, cost you for the maker tho, but u can make on using a neon transformer and have that arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 im not so sure people around here really want ozone tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 im not so sure people around here really want ozone tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 If you have an NST you can just take two glass plates and cover one side of each with aluminum then set the plates so there is an air core and just charge the plates with the NST. This will make TONS of ozone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 If you have an NST you can just take two glass plates and cover one side of each with aluminum then set the plates so there is an air core and just charge the plates with the NST. This will make TONS of ozone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 just saying what u need to do to make o3 at home the easy way. many people dont want anything but a bang, all means to an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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