this is comedy:

 

"Just as electrons are not a single particle, but composed of some 387 particles, light is likewise not composed of a single particle, as hundreds of particles are involved in the phenomenon called light."

 

 

and this displays absolutely no knowledge of what red shift is:

 

This should be obvious to man, as light spreads into the colors of the rainbow, and as his scientists describe the behavior of red light as Red Shift, where no such behavior is ascribed to other colors in the light spectrum.

 

 

see what else you can find on this site, a treasuretrove of bollocks.

so you're basically saying an electron isn't composed of smaller particles, and light isn't composed of packets of photons? talk about bollocks.

I'm not saying that.... those nutters are... actually as yet I haven't found a single physically accurate statement. I think I'll give up.

Originally posted by Radical Edward

"Just as electrons are not a single particle, but composed of some 387 particles, light is likewise not composed of a single particle, as hundreds of particles are involved in the phenomenon called light."

 

 

This is correct. I'm not sure if it's 387 smaller particles, but an e^- is composed of smaller particles. Light is composed of packets of photons.

Of course I'm not saying they know what they're talking either, their statement about red shift sounds like something Adam would say.

since when did electrons stop being fundamental particles? I haven't heard about that.

Electrons have mass and volume, therefore can be split.

Originally posted by fafalone

Electrons have mass and volume, therefore can be split.

 

One of the central ideas of the standard model of Quantum Mechanics is the electrons cannot be split. If you have proof otherwise, send it off to Nature at once!

We simply don't know if they can or cannot be split, but no one is saying it's not beyond the realm of good possibility. We don't even know the radius of the "fundamental particles," only that it's smaller than 10^-19.

Originally posted by fafalone

We simply don't know if they can or cannot be split, but no one is saying it's not beyond the realm of good possibility.

 

Remember the inherent doubt in the scientific method.

Evidence does suggest they have some structure, which indicates that could be split.

Originally posted by MrL_JaKiri

 

One of the central ideas of the standard model of Quantum Mechanics is the electrons cannot be split. If you have proof otherwise, send it off to Nature at once!

 

shut up

Originally posted by Adam

 

shut up

 

Only those with empirically disproveable beliefs need fear the scientific method.

Originally posted by fafalone

Electrons have mass and volume, therefore can be split.

 

sorry, but your conclusion does not nescessarily follow unless you can demonstrate otherwise.

Can you prove they can't be split?

no I can't, but then I would't say they can't be split.

Logic provides no reason a particle with mass can't be split, and an electron has mass.

I'm not saying they can't be split, I'm saying that your logical deduction that they have mass and volume therefore can be split is incorrect. It does not nescessarily follow that something can be split, just because it has mass and volume.

But any non-zero number can always be halved to result in a smaller number.

that isn't applicable in this case. While physical rules may be represented mathematically, that doesn't mean that all mathematical rules and constructs have a physical analogue. (for example, fractions)

Saying that an object with mass and size cannot be divided is not logical in ANY field; mathematics or quantum mechanics.

I'm not saying it can't be divided, I'm merely saying that your logical deduction does not follow automatically.

I'm not seeing how it does not follow since it's based on 1/2m|m>0 <>0

You'd think that, but unfortunately that would cause certain problems. like destroying the basis of quantum theories, and hence setting physics back over 100 years.

Originally posted by fafalone

Saying that an object with mass and size cannot be divided is not logical in ANY field; mathematics or quantum mechanics.

It is if we postulate the assumption 'certain objects/quantities cannot be divided' for the logical rules set.

 

Or, say, 'only solutions of this equation are permitted values for n', where n is mass.

It would only effect the theories in it was a common natural state, not a state inducible only by vast improvments in particle accelerators to apply them.

 

I'm open to being proved wrong on this, but you'll have to show me some mathematical proof.