ydoaPs Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 Is Ireland Atlantis? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5623857/?GT1=4529 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 The relevant question is, Did Plato just make it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted August 8, 2004 Author Share Posted August 8, 2004 No, when the Ancients returned to Earth, the legend of Atlantis survived and eventually reached Plato. lolly roffles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulkit Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 This must be the 3rd different place whcich has been linked to Atlantis, that I've heard of in the last 1 year. There is a very high probability that Plato did make up all that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 If Atlantis did exist, based on the historical evidence we have there's just no way it could be Ireland. Plato was not a stupid man, and he stated roughly where Atlantis lay. I think Erlingsson is picking out the bits he likes and ignoring those he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiral_ju00 Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 While we're on the subject of pseudoscience, or better yet Mythology, perhaps Plato meant that it was hovering Over Ireland, or something? (I'm thinking Star Wars technology here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 I belive that atlantis might have existed. But I think that if it did exist It would have been so long ago that the geography would be unreconisible and all evidence of it has been destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 I'm going there next week, I'll try and find out for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted August 8, 2004 Author Share Posted August 8, 2004 going where, atlantis or ireland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 Ireland, to visit the relatives. Oh, the joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted August 8, 2004 Author Share Posted August 8, 2004 can someone pull up a translation of what Plato actually said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 going where, atlantis or ireland? Class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 can someone pull up a translation of what Plato actually said? Not really, the records are in the Timaeus and Critias dialogues if you fancy looking the up. They are conversations between Plato and Socrates, but do refer to specifics (the land mass being the least of the details). Plato was forming a discussion about the ideal society, so it's not even known if he was describing reality or setting a template of utopia for the purpose of discussion with his peers. The references are thought to be related to the Minoan civilization, the most prominent and wealthy civilisation in the time period, which was destroyed along with Crete and Thera (in the same disaster that probably caused the plagues described in the Old Testament) in a rather large volcanic explosion*. *Bigger than you are thinking** **Yes, I do know the size you are thinking of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deletestars Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 On the Discovery Channel they actually figured Atlantis was off the coast of a country in the medditteranian somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 I wonder where you think Crete and Thera are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 When will people stop referencing the Discovery Channel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurfSciGuy Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Surely Atlantis sank beneath the waves without a trace. Unless someone hasn't told me something Ireland is still above sea-level... And as for linking Dogger Bank with Ireland - that is incredibly tenuous, especially as it's coming from a geographer, not an Gael or Celtic Historian. I hope the book does not rely on the supposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 When will people stop referencing the Discovery Channel? Recent studies suggest people who don't reference the Discovery channel are stoopid. All the popular scientists agree, and are on the Discovery channel daily to impartially explain this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProphet Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 If it ever would have existed. Then i'd give my bet on the land beneth the North Pole.. There are old maps(BC time) describing the land beneth it. Which are very precise! Einstein and some other guy i can't remember the name of laid down a theory too hiw this was possible! They said that the earth axis has changed (which i does witihn a circle, which in turns take 54 000 y to make a whole round). So that once the Land beneth Nortpole where in roughly the same climate as Sweden, norway and Finland. well well i still belive there is a big chance Plato where jsut thinking of Utopia too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 I don't think Plato ever made it to the North Pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 If it ever would have existed. Then i'd give my bet on the land beneth the North Pole.. There are old maps(BC time) describing the land beneth it. Which are very precise! Einstein and some other guy i can't remember the name of laid down a theory too hiw this was possible His name was Charles Hapgood, I don't think his theory of rapid earth crust displacement was ever really taken up, as techtonic activity is studied in far greater detail than Charles Hapgood managed. Seismology has had billions invested in it, and has advanced far beyond the theorys from the 1950's. Einstein didn't actually form the theory, he just showed an interest in it. As he failed Geography and History, his credentials in that area are not that high. Personally, I find the maps intriguing as they do indeed show a good approximation of the land mass that is hidden. But I have to ask about the origin, as other maps from the period it is clamed to be from were very vauge. The Buache map was created from a 'found' map in 1873 (Piri Re'is) which was conincidentally the time when the poles were being fully explored. It all seems a bit like a fake map and a whole heap of wishfull thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coquina Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 There is no land beneath the North Pole, unless you count the ocean floor. I have read that Atlantis maybe have been inundated as a result of the Santorini Volcano. There was an extremely sophisticated civilization on Prehistoric Thera, the town of Akrotiri was abandoned when Santorini erupted. http://www.culture.gr/2/21/211/21121a/e211ua08.html Here's a page about the geologic history of the area: http://www.decadevolcano.net/santorini/santorini_volcanism.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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