20 hours ago, raphaelh42 said:

no free will = no reason to feel proud neither

i was not taking about instincts/reflexes

You're missing my original point about Pascal's wager; there's no reason to believe in god or free will, but it's a good excuse to forgive yourself for all of your yesterdays/mistakes and enjoy today and possibly tomorrow too.

That's why forgiveness of the self, is key, in understanding what the wager implies... 

On 11/18/2024 at 9:14 PM, raphaelh42 said:

i realized i don't believe in free will, so why should i feel guilty

Sounds to me a poor excuse for not facing up to the responsibility of your actions. 

On 11/28/2024 at 10:08 PM, Intoscience said:

Sounds to me a poor excuse for not facing up to the responsibility of your actions. 

But does it sounds logic anyway to you? and if not, why?

7 hours ago, raphaelh42 said:

But does it sounds logic anyway to you? and if not, why?

Logic dictates that the conclusion follows the premise, in this case we need to establish the difference between a reason and an excuse.

A 'reason' for an action is logical bc the conclusion naturally follows the premise; for instance, the reason I walked to the petrol station, is bc I ran out of petrol.

An 'excuse' for an action may not be logical bc the premise is probably false; for instance, the reason I walked to the petrol station , is bc I want to seem virtuous.