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[jv1]

Hi Mordred

In my humble opinion,

Lorentz transformations were used to prove that speed of light is constant.

 

They were never intended to be used to explain dilation of time.

The overlook that mirrors are simultaneously moving with light dot 

-these are both parts of the same light clock  happened later .

Again , I have been saying theory of relativity time dilation is mislabeled increase of distance which light dot travels between mirrors of light clock.

The mirrors move at the same time as light clock and they increase the distance .

For constant speed c increase of distance will increase the time travelled.

I was hoping that from what I have explained so far in this thread it is visible.

The last drawing with light clocks flipped 90 degrees clock wise- that is explanation.

Lets try to do experiment with 

train and space shuttle with light clocks 

positioned so the light dots are not perpendicular bro trajectory.

And let’s use L=3x10e8m

the distance between mirrors of the clock.

 

I would like to say that the distance L is has to be 3x10e8 to clearly see what is going on.

I would like to tackle the decay of particles time- the non moving particle radiates photons in 360 degrees and the receiver of signal

is at distance L .

Receiver has length D.

If particle and receiver are seen as mirrors of light clock ,when particle moves 

,the particle is moving mirror .

The distance for signal to travel do receiver is increased and we see that as a time dilation .

Caesium-atomic clock - as I mentioned in this thread - is modern version of light clock.

So increased distance in constant speed c

will increase the time  of travel.

The light clock is reference signal- comparative signal - that is it.

Again I am more than thankful to science forums for giving me anll of this space annd time to talk about this overlook .

Thanks to all of you for finding time to read and comment .

 

 

 

 

 

[Mordred]

1 hour ago, jv1 said:

Hi Mordred

In my humble opinion,

Lorentz transformations were used to prove that speed of light is constant.

They were never intended to be used to explain dilation of time.

 

It does both quite well. Without requiring specific circumstances or distances. That is something that is a major advantage of any theory. If your theory requires specific speeds or distances to show something it usually indicates the idea is lacking. More often than not amounting to numerology.

The Lorentz transforms works extremely well in both SR and GR. 

Edited May 22 by Mordred

[Genady]

1 hour ago, Mordred said:

The Lorentz transforms works extremely well in both SR and GR.

Also, in QFT and SM, I'd add.

[Mordred]

2 hours ago, Genady said:

Also, in QFT and SM, I'd add.

Might surprise someone but it also is used in string theory. 

[jv1]

 

Hi again

The couple of things I mentioned are just examples - this works for any speed and any distance .

For example let’s put both   clocks tilted 

45 degrees .

Or let’s put light clock from 0 to 360 degrees (relative to speed v2 direction )

and do calculations .

Above picture  (very rough) drawing is 

in my  humble opinion how Lotentz transformations should be applied .

In this picture , the observer is stationary and the clock mirrors are stationary.

L=3x10e8m

is distance between mirrors- any distance can be used - this is just for better understanding.

The distance between observer and light dot is d=3x10e8m

 

it takes 1 second for light beam to reach observer from light dot in position A (mirror A)

It takes 1.41 s for light beam to reach observer from position B(mirror B)

 

The speed of light c is constant .

The distance has changed and because of this the time  has changed .

 

Let’s reverse this - let’s see how is the observer seen by light beam point of view.

The observer is moving ,going further away from light dot- the distance is increasing?!

And he is moving away at speed of light?!

 

And we observe that observer is stationary.

 

Lotentz transformations work perfectly in any system where signal is emited  360

Degree away from source.

And we measure time of signal to the receiver.

When source is moving distance of travel is 

Changing and we observe that time is changed - we can not see the distance .

 

 

 

 

 

[jv1]

 

Here is a light dot point of view (reference frame) if two separate events:

Movement of mirror A in vertical direction at speed c.

And movement of observer 1(non moving observer ) at speed v=c

 

These two events are completely not related 
They just happen at the same time - they are simultaneous events.
 

The components of vectors blue and green 

are the result of simultaneous vector (velocities) action .

the blue Cod and green Vpd components act in the opposite direction and they are the reason speed orange - Vd and Cd

are 2.1x10e8 .

 

The speed of light is constant in all directions .

This is time dilation explained using Galilean transformations.

The increase in distance - is the reason why time is longer .

This is the overlook which led to Lorentz transformations been invented .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is a light dot point of view (reference frame) if two separate events:

Movement of mirror A in vertical direction at speed c.

And movement of observer 1(non moving observer ) at speed v=c

 

These two events are completely not related 
They just happen at the same time - they are simultaneous events.
 

The components of vectors blue and green 

are the result of simultaneous vector (velocities) action .

the blue Cod and green Vpd components act in the opposite direction and they are the reason distance - orange dot=4.2x10e8

And tt=1.41

 

the speed on orange  line is 

c=3x10e8

 

 

The speed of light is constant in all directions .

This is time dilation explained using Galilean transformations.

The increase in distance - is the reason why time is longer .

This is the overlook which led to Lorentz transformations been invented .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry

i was interrupted,

 

I mark orange line with Vd and Cd

because 

for time t=1 s

d=v(distance =speed)

 

 

[jv1]

[jv1]

What would be the values of:

v=?
do-red=?
do-yellow=?
 

for angle Beta=0 degrees

 

[jv1]

I can see that shock still did not wear off.

Mathematicians are extremely good at what they do ,but in my humble opinion they do need to take extra courses in geometry ,vectors and a fluid mechanics .

 

Here is something funny,I  hope not that offensive for mathematicians 

 

 

 

[swansont]

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