18 minutes ago, iNow said:

Define: Living

Define: Intelligence

Explain: How they’re measured objectively, and whether it’s binary or exists along a spectrum

Do so: Elsewhere, as it’s off topic here

My contention is that bringing mind into a discussion on the evololution of living organisms is essential, not off topic. It has an effect-impact on evolution.

As for defining and explaining, you are correct that it should occur elswhere.

58 minutes ago, Luc Turpin said:

My contention is that bringing mind into a discussion on the evololution of living organisms is essential, not off topic. It has an effect-impact on evolution.

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Mainstream science about the mind only, please. None of the ideas you've been speculating on are allowed in this section.

 

4 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

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Mainstream science about the mind only, please. None of the ideas you've been speculating on are allowed in this section.

 

Will avoid posting

 

2 hours ago, Luc Turpin said:

Mind, my favourite topic.

I believe (backed by evidence) that most if not all living things show some sense of intelligence (a substrate of mind to me) and that if we are to discuss evolution in living things, then we cannot not bring it into the discussion! Intelligence in living things provides partial vision to the blind watchmaker. Also, intelligence is only one piece (although an important one) in the puzzle that we call evolution in living things.

And yes, it is guided evolution that we like it or not. Even if we allow only humans to possess it and that it is only an emergent property, it is still influencing evolution.

If the discussion remains on non-living things, then please disregard my comment.

This is off-topic and was split

https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/133170-guided-evolution-split-from-evolution-not-limited-to-life-on-earth/

 

19 hours ago, npts2020 said:

What is the difference? If an organism manages to propagate, I would say whatever new features are propagated (regardless of how they became a part of it to begin with) have become part of the organisms evolution.

Thread was split. Let me requote there.

Edited January 2, 20241 yr by AIkonoklazt