20 minutes ago, swansont said:

You have to make a specific prediction before you can compare it to experiment and draw this conclusion.

e nucleus (you know what in the nucleus) must have minimum energy x, if e shell has energy, resultant of en + es <x, e resultant (standard model electron) does not violate probability, regardless of state.

Will work on wave function, I can almost see it relating well, it will need to come into focus

P.S. I was quite wrong about the neutron decay in tritium, it seems that electron would exchange energy via dipole interaction to form the stable hydrogen3, but I am getting ahead of myself, that is all guess work.

Edited December 22, 20178 yr by Butch

38 minutes ago, Butch said:

e nucleus (you know what in the nucleus) must have minimum energy x, if e shell has energy, resultant of en + es <x, e resultant (standard model electron) does not violate probability, regardless of state.

No model, no number. No prediction

3 hours ago, Butch said:

Really has someone measured those forces in an atom? 

Yes.

 

On 12/22/2017 at 7:30 PM, John Cuthber said:

Yes.

 

Check this out!

https://physics.aps.org/articles/v10/72

21 hours ago, Butch said:

Check this out!

https://physics.aps.org/articles/v10/72

And? 

They are testing properties of the strong force, the existence of which you have doubted.  

On 12/25/2017 at 7:37 AM, swansont said:

And? 

They are testing properties of the strong force, the existence of which you have doubted.  

Not the existence of, the mechanism.

5 minutes ago, Butch said:

Not the existence of, the mechanism.

They are refining QCD, not coming with a new mechanism 

Just now, swansont said:

They are refining QCD, not coming with a new mechanism 

 

1 minute ago, swansont said:

They are refining QCD, not coming with a new mechanism 

I am aware of (although not studied) the quark models and interaction. I think however we might be getting ahead of ourselves.

I have realized however that my "sisters" must have coherent dipoles, this affects average energies, although it disciplines my "modeling" task (disciplines may be read as simplifies).