  # Kramer

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## Everything posted by Kramer

1. A answer by the teacher (Sensei) please: How can photon have more energy than of two electron particles. And another please: Photons accelerate mass particles, which absorbs their energy. Is this the manner that accelerates protons in Cern?
3. Ajb If the forces balance then the two particles would be free and just continue moving according to their initial velocity. ----- Kramer say: The two hypothetic sub particles, supposed free from other out side sources, which may have caused any movement on subs. This means they have only two options: or they will be in rest toward each other, or they will go around in the both geodesics of partner. But if will be true the second option, the first option will be true too (relative to each other), only if they go around with the same velocity. And this is speculation about the structure of common particles: sub-particles go around each other (after free fall concept) always. Studiot My thoughts are that you are overthinking this, when you should be listening harder to what others are telling you (that is the easy way). Merry Christmas. ------- Kramer say: The dummies learn from others knowledgeable people easier by examples. For this I make question, for this I participate in this forum. Unfortunately I had not any forward answer for my question. ------- Swanson say: Gravitational potential energy is only dependent on position. Another introductory physics concept you would know if you learned basic physics. Without which you will never understand these advanced concepts. ------ Kramer say: A vise man said: If ones has clear concept in his brain, it easy to explain those concept in other people: if this “other people is a scientist” --- with high math, if the other is a plain intellectual --- with numerical and unities examples, if is a low educated --- with rubber sheet, balloons, peas, etc. Do you think that advanced concept are only for the elite to understand? We see that the elites between them have disarrays concepts, and concept disarray every day. This gave people to think that something wrong in the some “basic”. Now you tell me why I am wrong if my simple math. show me that, in free fall of a body, kinetic orbital energy is equal gravity energy , even though that direction of them are perpendicular? Why if there is something doubt in basic? -------
7. DevilSolution Balance. The sub atomic movement is dance of balance within the atom. --- The balance of what, of force? The force acts in radial direction. The velocity of movement is tangential. In a dance you may attract or repel your partner, but that has very little to do with movement of feet of both dancers. Stranger Massive particles are caused to move by “some force”. Massless particles always move at the speed of light. ---- “That some force” is caused by “something” that is moving? Yes or no? What is the cause of “that something” for to move? What cause mass-less particles to move at speed of light? Ajb. So, movement is not really tied to forces, acceleration is. To my mind, the only answer to the opening post is that Galilean relativity tells us that we cannot consider any massive particle to be at absolute rest. As there is no absolute rest things must be 'in motion'. The same holds in Einsteinian relativity. ----Acceleration is the change of velocity of things that move, this mean it is tied with movement. What causes accelerations, if not some things that are moving with different velocities and interact with each other? For example: an electron in relative rest status is collided by a photon. Electron from relative rest status is put “in motion”, this is some kind of acceleration. Photon change direction, but move with the same velocity, even though has a change in frequency. (If not absorbed totally). What happens between them in moment of collide? As for Einsteinian relativity I am confused: we have acceleration of gravity, but we don’t have force.
8. What is the cause of movement of mass and mass-les particles? Is it the movement an intrinsic ability of matter, or it is caused by out-side factors?
9. ## Can’t be possible, a parallel “ gravity -- electric” interaction between Cosmos bodies? (One speculative question)

Stranger You haven't previously asked many questions, apart from general ones like "does it make sense?" (no). By the way, have you noticed the "Quote" button below each post? http://www.sciencefo...-several-parts/ It is very hard to separate what you are saying from what you have copied from others. 1) No. 2) Only that they explain what it is a measure of. The permittivity (I assume that is what you mean) can be expressed in several ways, which of these do you think is significant: where F=farad, A=ampere, V=volt, C=coulomb, J=joule, m=metre, N=newton, s=second, W=watt, kg=kilogram, Ω=ohm, H=henry. 3) No 4) Yes. If there were antimatter particles throughout space, they would interact with and be annihilated by the matter particles thatw e know are there and we would see distinctive gamma ray spectra from this. 5) Electric charge is an inherent property of certain particles. 6) Gravity is a result of the curvature of space-time by mass (and energy). 7) Not yet. The CERN Alpha project is preparing to measure this. But there are good theoretical reasons to think that antimatter must have the same gravitational effect as ordinary matter. ---- Thanks Stranger for your categorical answers, about my questions. They, for the most of them, reject any my willingness to debate with you further about them, taking in to account they are from an expert, and so, the certainty of them is undisputable. E pur si muove. Damn your insistence, Kramer. Swanson Then you need to be more proficient in asking quality questions. ---- If not being proficient --- does it is wrong, to make suppositions, hypothesis, questions, rebuts, in the speculation forum? And elaborate the substance of post in whatever level, even though naïve ( which by the way is easier to discard--- and earn some green points)?
10. ## Can’t be possible, a parallel “ gravity -- electric” interaction between Cosmos bodies? (One speculative question)

Swanson But this is a science forum. You must reason within the known physics rules, or be able to justify whatever new physics you propose. That's not satisfied by making a few terms arbitrarily equal to each other. ---- My post is about issues that I have vague concepts. Maybe wrong ones. May be right ones. Is for this that I beg helps, from knowledgeable persons, in form “of questions”. If any of my sentences seems like assertion, or as boasting assurance that I am right, I am very sorry. The cause is my lack, not only in physics, is it most in my English language. For this, I post in short sentences, that may seems like assertions. Now about this post: Here are some questions, not new physics, for which I hope any kind of answer by specialist: 1) Has or not any electrostatic potential the space itself? 2) Have or not any physic meaning the unities in “electric constant of space”? 3) Is really earth, and maybe every cosmic body, an immense reservoir for free electric charges? 4) Is it “so absurd” the idea of antimatter sub-particles in space as the matter sub-particles in cosmic bodies? 5) Is it electric charge an entity embedded in mass, or a byproduct of electric field? 6) Is it gravity a property of mass, or field? 7) Is it excluded for sure the possibility of antimatters antigravity? And now about my posts in general: Are any criterions in rules, about what graduation, what profession, what standard of education must have the poster, what may post and what not, when must be closed the post and how long it may it continue, what kind of experimental proofs needed to discuss a theme for?
11. ## Can’t be possible, a parallel “ gravity -- electric” interaction between Cosmos bodies? (One speculative question)

Sensei Electrons want to be as far as they can from other electrons, causing movement of elements. Earth has radius 6370 km, Area A=4*PI*r^2, so A=4*3.14159265*6370000^2=5.099*10^14 m^2 You have Qearth=5.146043764 * 10 ^ 14 C That's ~1 C per 1m^2 of Earth surface.. ------ Wright! And this is only a cubic root of the “total electric charges” that posses 1 m^3 Earth. Am I wrong? But you may say that there doesn’t exist any electric charge --- with your math: +1 –1 = 0 And that make sense. But you can’t explain the facts of every day reality where gravity is defied only by electric counter-acting, for a stabile status. Why not in the cosmic arena? To try for finding an explanation is not wrong. I asked for experts if there exist any electric potential between space and earth. I not intend “that”, which is created by ionosphere. I intend something else, different, as the property of itself space, consistent with its electric constant. Can you give any clue? Something like “skin effect” on earth that may create potential toward space’s… . Sure this is out of box. Swanson Is there a physical basis for this, or is it just pulled from “where visible photons are rare?” ---- Physical basis, is the equivalence of all kind of energies, other way expressed -- the law of preservation of energy. At least in Plank area this is obvious. And in the concept that stability, equilibrium is based in the equality of electric and gravity energies, in equality and opposite of their forces. I can’t grasp “where visible photons are rare?”. If you see this as a clue please elaborate for me. Why would you think that? How would electrical insulation work if this were the case? In copper it's one electron in the conduction band per atom. ----- If we reason with strict known physics rules, without any exception or deviation, it is futile to dig in unknown territories for any hopeful new discovery. So let see this way: Where is anti matter and its constituents? The physic didn’t give any all approved basic explanation. I think it is a big mystery, maybe linked with Dirak sea….. And side way with this post. And I am curious to know how many electrons plus, may we inject in one kg cooper? I don't know what "Any exit with different proportionality, or for 90 grads toward vector of gravity force" means I don't deny electrical interaction. I question the magnitude of it. ---- I thought that electric interaction between cosmic bodies exist but maybe not in the strength I suggested, and asked your opinion. As for 90 grads of interaction, it is a vague guess that gravity has to do with orbitals and electric interaction with spins of planets. So everything repels. And is contradicted by basically all classical physics observations. ----- On one hand repels, and on the other hand attract. Result is equilibrium. Like book over the table. Only distances are different. Which, as I have indicated, is a ludicrous assumption, even if one assumes electrons in the conduction band. ---- Wright, if we are strict with what we know. And reject any try for unkown. −
12. ## Can’t be possible, a parallel “ gravity -- electric” interaction between Cosmos bodies? (One speculative question)

13. ## Can’t be possible, a parallel “ gravity -- electric” interaction between Cosmos bodies? (One speculative question)

Can’t be possible, a parallel “ gravity -- electric” interaction between Cosmos bodies? (One speculative question) Let suppose that cosmic bodies possesses electric negative charges free. And in amount proportional with their mass as below: Qx / e = Mx / Mun. = Nx Here Qx is the amount in Coulomb of electric free charges. Mx is the mass of cosmic body. Mun. = Mplank * sqrt(α^0.5) = 1.859389987 * 10^-9 kg. Nx = Proportion Then forces of electric and gravity interaction will be: Fe = Q1 * Q2 / (4*pi*ε * (D1-2 )^2) = G * M1 * M2 / ( D1-2)^2 For example: The electric and gravity forces between sun and earth. Qsun = e * Nsun = 1.706963894 * 10 ^20 Coulomb Qearth = e * Nearth = 5.146043764 * 10 ^ 14 Coulomb Dsun earth = 149.6*10^9 m Then: Fe= Qsun *Qearth. / (4 * pi * ε * (Dsun-earth)*2) = 3.5275731*10^22 kg.m.sec^-2 Fg = G * Msun*Mearth / (Dsun-earth)^2 = 3.5275731558*10^22 kg.m.sec^-2 Does it make any sense?
14. ## About radius of “electron particle” and the possibility of having it a structure.

Sensei No, you need to: - learn how to use quote function in posts, - learn how to make Latex equations in posts, - learn physics This is all you can say for my post? I am sorry for you Sensei, because you don’t understand the aim and the essence of my posts. How many things, phenomena, stand without answers from scientists, and they asks for ordinary people: no why, no what, no how? --- Because have not any satisfactory explanation! Or their answers are covered with weakly terms like change of flavor or color and with absorbs or releases of quanta. But how is the mechanism of those? And if an ordinary person, give a “naïve and radical” mechanism for some questions that stand without answer, give for discuss in a ‘speculative forum’, --- this cause irritation. I think that nobody has a certain idea what is an elementary particle, mass or mass-les. What have they in common and what divide them. How they change their status in each other. What cause movement, acceleration, how mass particles disappear and appear in thin air. Etcetera! Etcetera. And you, have nothing to say, except giving suggestions for trivial problems.
15. ## About radius of “electron particle” and the possibility of having it a structure.

About radius of “electron particle” and the possibility of having it a structure. “ The Standard Model of particle physics is known to be incomplete. Extensions to the StandardModel, such as weak-scale supersymmetry, posit the existence of new particles and interactions that are asymmetric under time reversal (T) and nearly always predict a small yet potentially measurable, (on electron particle ?), of electric dipole moment (EDM), in the range of 10^-27---10^-30 e*r.” This extract is taken by the link given by moderator, in the case of one of my closed post. I am confused because, didn’t this means that range of radius of particle is r = 10^-8----- 10^-12 (cm?), and the authors presuppose even r =10^-20 cm. but are not able to measure. In this case why classic radius = 2.8 *10^-15 m (used in formulas by me) is ruled out? This is the fact that I doubt in certainty of experiments: seems to me that, the performers of experimentations are themselves not sure. Duality “wave - mass” of particles is an argument plus in the favor of “unique sub particles hypothesis”, as the only brick structure of matter, in the case---for electron particle. For example: The electric energy Eme of an electron particle, if supposed to be created by interaction between electric charges “of the same particle”, is equal with the mass energy Em created by (so called me) “unity mass of unique sub. particle”. Ee.me = [(e^2 / ((4*pi*ε ) * Re)] = = ( ((-e) /(4*pi*ε)^0.5)) * ((-e) / (4*pi*ε) ^0.5)) ) / Re (Here Ee.me is electric energy of “electron particles”, and Re its radius.) Em.me = (G/G) * [(e^2 / ((4*pi*ε ) * Re)] = G*(e^2 / ((4*pi*ε *G) * Re) = = G*( ((-e) /(4*pi*ε*G)^0.5)) * ((-e) / (4*pi*ε*G) ^0.5)) ) / Re = = G * Mu.s*Mu.s / Re = G * (Mplank*α^0.5)^2 / Re = à me * C^2 (Here G is gravity constant, which is the same for mass bodies and for the space. Mu.s. is the fictive mass of “unique sub=particle”, which gave mass on all particles interacting with the same sign of a mate. Mplank is plank mass. me = is the mass of electron particle.) If this post has at least one reader interested in the topic, about reconciliation of gravity with quantum, and want to discus ideas with somebody that is not expert for both the branch of physics, please don’t close this post. I need help by a partner.
16. ## The electron particle must have three electric charges! (A speculation from a layman)

17. ## The electron particle must have three electric charges! (A speculation from a layman)

18. ## The electron particle must have three electric charges! (A speculation from a layman)

19. ## The electron particle must have three electric charges! (A speculation from a layman)

Swanson What evidence can you present that the electron is composite, or what model can you present that would give predictions of what we should see? -----The formula and my interpretation of physics units are not convincing? I insist in this formula because I think is a universal, applicable for all common particles. It fit exact in the case of proton, and maybe in all particles that have Compton wave- length. Seems to me, it is like a pattern. The only variable in this pattern is radius of particle, and indeed the combinations of signs of charges. That's the electron self-energy according to classical physics (hence the name "classical electron radius"). But we know from experiment that the electron radius is not this value. The upper limit is much, much smaller. You are using a relation we know to be wrong. ----- I don’t pretend that have invented or discovered the formula. My interpretations aims to defend nature of matter as particular, based it in the fact that electric charge “e” is a physics concept of something that exist and is exact measurable, as a unity. I think that “electric charge” is the ‘hub of the mater’ of all physics phenomena, together with concept of mass with which is not separable. About “radius” or distance between two “electric charges”, you say is not the value. Seems to me that Radius extracted by Compton wave-length is not a fact convincing. Let see this way: Now I have displayed in my formula that e / (4*pi*e / ( U * d)) = U*d = 1.43994393*10^-9 V*m This is a universal formula. Divide this value with whatever radius and you will have the second component of energy ----“U”. example: U*d / 1.5346088165*10^-18 = 938264829,8 V for proton. After your concept of electric charge as point with zero dimension, result U = infinite. Which is absurd. That not right. The smallest dimension of electric charge is: “Rmin.” = 1.380543856*10^-36 m. If you don’t want to violate: v < C ! With this kind of dimension of electric charges, that “structures” with their movements toward each other the spherical form of common particle, I doubt about results of experiment.
20. ## The electron particle must have three electric charges! (A speculation from a layman)

Swanson What is the difference between the two different positively charged particles? (assuming these are distinct particles Or are you claiming the electron is a composite particle? ----Yes. I think that electron particle is a composite particle. As are all common particles. I say, only, that electric charge must not be confounded as identical “electron particle”. Electric charges are the main components of electron particle. They structure “electron particle”, they are cause of electric static field of “electron particle”, they are the cause of stationary electromagnetic wave and, even this sounds crazy, they posses ability for creating mass, in presence of gravity constant s.c.r.t (G). I am not sure if this is a second own property of “electric charge” or an outsider. Yes, electric charge has a limited dimension. That means it is not zero. Ajb Electromagnetic theory would be very different with three kinds of electric charge. In essence we know about theorires with more than one kind of charge, for example we have Yang-Mills theories. ----- You know Mr. Ajb, that I am not a physicist. My post is based in data: electron particle posses electric field, posses electromagnetic phenomena even though in static status, exist in space (which has an electric constant) – and has a measurable dimension. Formula gave a precise amount of energy equal with other kind of energies. E = me * C^2. = h*(C / ((2*pi / α) * Re )). For me they are enough for a superficial cognition. This superficial cognition gave me a thought that matter and energy of “common particles” are result “only if interaction” happens between at least two subs. I am not able to discuss about theories that flourish every day, and that became always more and more complicated.
21. It is an interesting topic for who is interested. So seems to me.
22. ## The electron particle must have three electric charges! (A speculation from a layman)

The electron particle must have three electric charges! (A speculation from a layman) The energy of a “static” electron particle is equal: Ee = (-e) * (-e) / (4*pi*ε0* Re) =8.187104679*10^-14 joule …… II-1 “Re” is classic radius derived by Compton wave-length of electron. Am I wrong? My friend S… will say: Yes you are, I see only two electric charges in your formula. And “electron particle” has in fact only one electric charge. Let see the physic’s unity in my formula: Joule = C * C / m *F*m^-1 = C*C / C*(U*m)^-1 *m = C*C*C^-1*U*m /m= C*U The speculation consist: 1- The third electric charge must exists in space in the so called Dirak’s sea, and must have positive sign 2- The second charge is associated with the Dirak’s charge and has created Compton electromagnetic wave. 3- There is not any annihilation of charges, only a shadow from each other. By three electric charges, two of them that posses different signs create a spherical wave around the first negative charge. Now, shoot for an easy win of green points.
23. ## an future new energy and determinist approach of quantum mechanics ?

I am waiting with dip curiosity the answers of experts of our site on the challenge of Mr. professor Patrick, about his work in a very intriguing theme. I don’t suppose that a “DETERMINIST approach of quantum mechanic” has not triggered the alert on the defenders of contemporary viewpoint about quantum. A layman, as I am, cannot be able to understand where is hidden “the determinism” of the work, if Copenhagen’s viewpoint and Heisenberg’s uncertain principle are okay. Or maybe an ignorant layman is not able to extract underlying meanings, in the tons of equations and formulas. For myself I am convinced that if a theory is based in “point” electric charge, or “point” mass, this theory has a shaky basement, the same as Quantum.
24. ## THE HOLE’S “FOOT-PRINT”, GO BACK IN TIME! EXISTS ANY RELIABLE DETECTOR WATCHING THIS PHENOMENA?

----- Its amazing the relief I feel. Apologize for your lost time
25. ## THE HOLE’S “FOOT-PRINT”, GO BACK IN TIME! EXISTS ANY RELIABLE DETECTOR WATCHING THIS PHENOMENA?

Swanson I'm having difficulty figuring out how you can continually remind everyone that you are a lay-man (three times in this thread alone) and then get upset when people take you at your word and agree with you. …..Here is nothing strange. You all have difficulty to understand the laymen, because your visualization for laymen is analphabetism and ignorance, and you consider them like sheep that must go where you lead them, and swallow whatever you serve to them. I don’t say that a layman like me, intend to compete with moderators about questionable issues in threads. But has the right to dispute the explanations that seems to him not convincing. And especially about statements of physics that cause suspicion not only in the verity of statement but even in some hidden aim. If this irritate the moderators and the staff of the site and gave answers like: [Do you really mean you have never heard of things like kg and pounds and other units of mass? Or: The majority of the mass of the proton is the strong nuclear force. ---- Mass --- equal force?? And response: you don't understand the relationship between force and energy. ] ---- Sure you don’t see them irritating for me. As opposed to this, which is an actual insult. ----I don’t know who is insulter and who is insulted. Insulter was awarded with green medal [As always with your threads. ---- I see the muster of insulting.” ]
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