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I had a slighter different interpretion of WTF PHI

Let's go with mine so younger member's parents continue to view us as an educational resource.

 

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that may have been your most racist post yet.

Ad Hominem and Poisoning the Well fallacies, as well as just being your same old argument.

BTW = By the way

 

J/K = Just kidding

 

OTOH = On the other hand

 

PM = Personal Message

 

IRC = Internet Relay Chat

 

LOL = Laughing out loud

 

ROFL = Rolling on the floor laughing

 

WTF = Where's THAT from?!?

You can use the search tools to search the whole site, or search each forum and subforum, and even search within a thread for the info you're looking for. I'm not sure I would trust a single pdf that purported to be able to teach everything about biochemistry, or any other area of science for that matter.

 

I'm afraid you'll have to dig.

racism under any circumstance is unethical.

To me, the circumstances leading to a need for affirmative action is like catching someone cheating at a race. In this instance you can't disqualify the runner, so you penalize him. It would be unethical to just say, sorry, we won't cheat from here on in, just allow us this lead we've got and we'll call it even. I've tried to explain it several ways. Are you going to continue using the same argument?

You are contradicting yourself.

No, because I don't view it the way you do, hence the reason I call affirmative action remedial. It rectifies a bad situation.

Except the horse.

Feathers. Small ones. Down.

* gasp * What do you charge to add letters to someone's name?

You say he "rode" out of town but he "journeyed" back. Did his horse throw him and he had to walk, thus accounting for the extra days?

a thread that i was posting on got moved, and it took me ages to find it.

Normally when a thread is moved, a redirect is left behind to tell you where it went. Sorry yours didn't happen this way, it's not the norm.

 

oh, and would it be possible to get rid of the last k of my name? i didnt mean to put it there, guess it doesnt matter but i would prefer 'Dak' if possible?

Sayo can do this, send him a PM and a large sum of money and hope for the best.

why would they break the "bone" in half?

The link says the thighbone was too big to lift in their helicopter, so they broke it.

 

If fossilization doesn't go completely through the bone, will other samples yield similar tissue? Could it be that other large bones may not be completely fossilized?

1. Polystyrenes = 20%

2. Disposable Diapers = < 1 %

3. Fast Food Waste = < 1%

 

I think the fast food waste mostly ends up as litter on the ground.

How do you know that cars don't have a good glide ratio, sure it is a recipe for disaster, but mabe it could work

In Engineering, there is always a practical purpose. Disaster is rarely the purpose.

 

I'm not sure wings could ever efficiently give enough lift to both lighten the vehicle in regards to fuel consumption and leave enough traction for maneuvering purposes. Cars already give up control the faster they go, why would you want to give up more control to save on fuel? Being alive to spend your savings should rank high on everyone's list.

phi, how does esnforced discrimination "level the playing field?" affermative action isn't getting rid of discrimination, it is fueling it.

It is the responsibility of every single person to end racism, gender bias and discrimination, imo. I'm in favor of integration wherever possible. I've seen many benefits in many areas when people are exposed to the ideas of diverse peoples. Over the years, discriminatory practices have led to over-representation by white males in our universities, in well-paid jobs, and in the various professions.

 

The civil rights movement and the women's liberation movement have both revealed the inequalities prevalent in US society. I know you view affirmative action as discriminatory to white males, but remedial action is needed where the situation cannot correct itself on its own. Affirmative action levels the playing field by creating resources for women and people of color so they will have proportional opportunities in the job market so that merit can then truly be observed. Affirmative action only fuels discrimination and gender bias in your mind if that's the way you choose to view it.

You can bet that if biodiesel use gets to be widespread in the US, they'll figure a way to tax it and make it illegal to buy it from restaurants. That's just too economical and efficient.

all cars on public roads must pay a tax on the fuel they use.

Our laws may be written a little differently. There were all kinds of articles praising people who were doing chinese restaurants a favor by taking the contents of their oil traps and filtering them for use in diesel engines. I know diesel engines last longer than regular ones, but I heard that the free biodiesel fuels reduced their overall life.

Diesel engines can be made to burn lots of alternative fuels. There are kits available so you can filter used vegetable cooking oil (which you can get for free from many restaurants--they have to pay to have it hauled away) and burn that for fuel. The kits allow you to start your engine on diesel fuel, get it warmed up, then switch to vegetable oil. You just have to make sure you switch back to diesel before you shut your engine down so the lines have the richer fuel in them for the next time you start up.

 

Necessity will drive the market toward alternatives. I remember back in 1968, the big US auto makers said there was absolutely no way for them to economically gear up to challenge Volkswagen. They claimed it would bankrupt them to retool to make compact cars. They also claimed Americans didn't want compact cars. When Datsun and Toyota came heavily into the US market in 1969, and Volkswagens sales skyrocketed, Detroit had the Pinto and the Vega ready by 1970. And it didn't hurt them a bit.

anyone can do anything they want to.

Some day this may really be true.

 

what is the purpose of this "temporary inequality?" it is like the reparation money to the decendents of slaves.

No, it's not. Affirmative action programs quite simply level the playing field, imo. Perhaps I was hasty comparing you to me. You're still in high school, and have little experience in the job market. Discrimination is out there, at every level, and I think something extra needs to be done because the honor system doesn't work when racism or gender bias is factored in.

And you seem to assume that affirmative action is only used in favour of blacks against whites.

Actually, you are making that up. Just because I make reference to white males doesn't mean I assume affirmative action only favors blacks. I actually think gender problems are more prevalent out there in the job marketplace. I think we are definitely turning a corner on racial profiling when it comes to jobs. I also believe affirmative action programs are partially responsible.

Don't you see the implied malice in a statement like that?

 

It literally reeks with the stagnant odor of revenge. That is what this nonsense has come to represent and nothing more.

 

Will you not be satisfied until white people are forced to serve as slaves to blacks for 300 years?

I see that since you saw malice in the question where none was intended' date=' you are obviously the type who screams reverse descrimination first. I guess I will never be able to debate this issue with you when what I see as a social program for promoting equality is viewed by you as stinking [b']revenge[/b].

 

Oh, and what a nice straw man you chose to close with!

I voted yes' date=' but I think affirmitive action should be geared toward the economically disadvantaged, not by race. A middle class black person doesn't need any help compared to a poor white person, IMO.

 

We do have an interest in improving our 'weakest link', which are the poor.[/quote']Great point, john5746. Perhaps that's also why Bill Cosby is against it.

guess what, there is a difference between being equal and crapping on the white guys. i am all for equality, but i am not in favor of thing like extra points for college admission for being anything but white.

I'm so glad that, as a privileged white male, you're all for equality. The point here is that you and I have had an easier walk than others. Affirmative action puts a bit more of a hill ahead of us to climb, but doesn't prevent us from climbing. It is a temporary compensation for a temporary inequality. Do you feel put out because things are a little tougher on you now? Perhaps you will learn how discrimination feels and never practice it on others.

Do what atinymonkey did when we went to see Kill Bill 2 - take it off them.

I would have loved to see that. "Ninja Monkey Squashes Squishy Swiller in Kill Bill Thriller".

 

Punk: (sluuuuurp!)

atm: "Well, that won't do! (snatches squishy)

Punk: "Hey, that's mine!"

atm: "And now it's not. You cannot be trusted with a device as potentially noisy as a straw, so I condemn you to dehydration, you voluminous pimple!"

Punk: "But I paid for it!"

atm: "Your father's words precisely to the whore who whelped you, you vomitous mound of worthlessness! Get out of my sight this instant or thirst will be replaced by arterial bleeding!"

Well by that line of reasoning, you couldn't be sure that discrimination is a wrongful act. You only claim it is because it fit's your argument.

My point exactly. The two cancel each other out. The dilemma is false and cannot be used in this debate. rolleyes

You don't know that it is temporary. It has been in force for years and there is no sign that it about to be suspended.

Why should it be suspended when it hasn't been allowed to reach it's potential? Should Martin Luther King Jr's work have been suspended after his death? This is where I do trust the system. When the employment marketplace has a fairer amount of ethnic and gender diversity at all levels, when the playing field is level and merit can finally be the true gauge, affirmative action programs will be dismantled. It will happen because the white male workers will have spent enough time feeling what it is like. They will scream like the women and people of color screamed, and they will be heard.

 

Part of my objection to dismantling the programs too soon is that all these objections of reverse discrimination are coming up. Of course white males are going to start bitching as soon as they can. We may need to go a little overboard to make sure the system is fair, the opportunities are even. Imo, the more empathy we can have for the plight of those who have been discriminated against for so long, the better our chances it won't happen again.

 

There will always be those who take negative advantage of any program, those who will not rise up on their own if given a leg up. Let's not judge the whole system by those few. And let's not make the mistake of saying that because merit is the logical system that it is also the best system in a world where discrimination flies in the face of logic.

Yeah, I know that heating a magnet totaly destroys it as far as magnetivity is concerned... is throwing a magnet just as effective as heating one?

Effective? Am I to assume you want to destroy your magnet? High-impact is more effective in that you save on generated heat (except that which you generate by tjrowing), heating is more effective in that you don't beat up a surface by throwing a magnet against it.

I would' date=' if scientific, objective analysis indicated that the atmosphere had suddenly acquired a new ability to cleanse itself of pollution.

 

In other words, if society is no longer of a discriminatory bent, then the analogy is flawed.[/quote']I see no overwhelming evidence that big business is capable of voluntary non-discrimination. They have merely gotten good at circumventing current laws that prohibit it, but it is still a white male world out there that is difficult for women and minorities to break into. I don't think it is an active conspiracy, I think it is part of the way corporations advance people to higher levels, based on many non-applicable factors, like how well you play golf, or how little your skin color offends the client you are going after.

 

Again, I believe a merit system is best, but it is just not realistic even in today's more enlightened outlook.

You don't think that the government can provide the oversight needed to insure equal opportunity, without institutiing laws that insure that we don't have it?

No. Non-discriminatory laws have been in place for years and employers can get around them.

The point is that one does not correct a wrongful act by committing another wrongful act.

False dilemma. You can't be sure that affirmative action is a wrongful act. You're making an assumption that fits your argument.

it is racist against white males.

No, it is a temporary correction of the current system which is heavily weighted in favor of white males. There is a difference, one which white males find difficult to see.

And it would seem to me that working out the problems of racial/gender/national origin prejudice would be the way to fix that, rather than to institute a program that would exacerbate those problems.

And leaving those prejudice problems up to the individual employer has worked well, in your white male opinion? I encourage government programs where individual initiative on the part of big business is not immediately profitable. I wouldn't want to relax laws against pollution, either.

I support affirmative action because I feel we need to overcompensate for our predilection for what is known and comfortable. If meritocracy were completely blind to gender, color and national origin, it would indeed be the best system, but it's not. Affirmative action helps those whose merit is hidden behind the prejudices of the company who thinks certain hires are safe, economical and predictable.

 

I don't have any figures on it, but isn't it almost always quiet, normal, safe white male workers who go postal and shoot up everyone in the office?