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It would have been the other way around for starters. And no one but creationists use the term "macroevolution". Speciation has been proven many times: Molestus speciated from Culex pipiens (Byrne and Nichols 1999; Nuttall 1998). Primula kewensis (Newton and Pellew 1929) Rhagoletis pomonella from Crataegus spp to Malus pumila (Filchak et al. 2000) Anopheles gambiae (Fanello et al. 2003; Lehmann et al. 2003) Ensatina to the subs klauberi and eschscholtzi (Brown n.d.; Wake 1997) This is usually where creationists "put the lid on their pots" because it means looking up a lot of studies and pouring through data that means nothing to them because, you guessed it, they haven't studied evolution. Do you see where skepticism without study leads? Please follow THIS LINK and read this page on speciation (you're smart, it won't take you long). The last fourth of the page is all citations and references to studies with peer reviewed evidence backing up these claims. Trust me, peer review in science is brutal and makes the Spanish Inquisition look like a book club questionnaire.

Any kind of terpene ingestion is going to cause some major central nervous system problems. Ingesting undiluted Pine-sol in that kind of quantity would probably put you in a coma. And I can't imagine it would be a kind way to go, what with all the caustic effect on soft tissue. Your screaming would be pretty painful.

The distinction here seems obvious then. Using a fumigation process where a room or building is sealed from human interaction while the O3 does it's work sounds like it would work. Using an air purifier that puts O3 into the room with humans in it sounds questionable.

Here at SFN, we make the distinction that God is, by His own choice, unobservable, which places Him outside natural causality. While this distinguishes Him from other supernatural phenomena, for the purposes of science God is just as unmeasurable as ghosts and unicorns. We can easily adopt the distinction between "supernatural" and "paranormal" and I think for this and future purposes we should do just that. After all, if someone proves ghosts exist, they become normal. If God shows Himself it completely destroys the idea of faith without proof.

What is this for, an assignment or curiosity? Hair coloring can be very weird and it's not uncommon for one person to have brownish scalp hair, black eyebrows, a strawberry blond beard, red pubic hair and blond hair on their arms. I don't know of any studies that break it down in the way you want. And by population do you mean world population or by a certain country? The results are going to be different between, say, Ireland and Iceland.

I'd be honored (and really flattered) if you used it for your new signature. Just put it in quotes with my name after it. And deny everyone a good laugh? No, we all have to learn how to extract our feet from our mouths. It's a human thang. Yeah but having unauthorized copies of your first 100 posts is good job security for me. I'm just riding your coattails anyway 'cause I know you're going to rule the world within the next decade, Cap'n.

Evolution is the change in allele frequency in a population over time. That's really it in a nutshell. At each genetic locus you have an allele from each of your parents which determine various inherited characteristics. Those will change each generation and the study of those changes is called evolution. Kudos to MrSandman!!! This is a far cry from the brash know-it-all who joined these boards a short time ago. Good for you for acknowledging you might have been mistaken. You just became a whole lot more mature and gained some credibility in *my* eyes. Now if you can just refrain from saying things like, "Your [sic] getting into opinions not fact Severian" to one of our most eminent professional physicists when he's trying to tell you about electric charge and magnetism, you'll do all right here. Have Cap'n Refsmmat tell you about his first 100 posts when he joined up. I'm going to award you some reputation points for that post, MrSandman. The mind is a bowl to be filled, not a pot with a lid on it.

Do you cherry-pick those things which seem to support your beliefs? No problems here. Believing in a creator is fine. This has been said many times. THIS IS THE PART WHERE YOU KEEP PLUGGING YOUR EARS. EVOLUTION ISN'T ABOUT HOW LIFE STARTED. Well, since you now know you were misinformed maybe you should take a closer look. And THAT, my friend, is why science insists on calling it a theory. They retain a tiny bit of skepticism that keeps them constantly testing and proving. Will you please just take the time to study evolution? Without bias, keep your skepticism and just read. Even if you just spend a few hours at TalkOrigins.org you will have given yourself an honest chance at understanding. Remember there is nothing there that threatens your God.

Well, yeah, it is. What are you going to use to purify the room from the ozone you've pumped in? You can hurt people with too much concentration. Consumer Reports did a piece a couple of years ago on the lawsuits brought against the Ionic Breeze air purifiers that pumped too much ozone into the room. I think ozone purification probably ranks up there with ion-cleansing and wristband magnets. Maybe some wonderful site like dbunked could take a look into ozone purification (wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more). Btw, do you want me to retitle this thread? It's not really about Mythbusters, is it?

That's completely up to you and your beliefs should be respected. As has been stated, there is a difference between creation and Creationism. Again, no problems. Faith can help explain the supernatural for many. We know only one thing about any afterlife for certain: it's not going to be in the body we leave behind. It's well documented that it stays here. Sorry, but this is just plain wrong. If you'd said science versus religion I could agree. Creationism requires all the evidence of evolution be magically created by God, including making the geological evidence *appear* to be millions of years old. It also imposes one rigid interpretation of Hebrew translations that any orthodox scholar will tell you is open to many interpretations. But the worst part about creationism is that it misquotes science to people who then don't bother to check the facts. I don't know how many times I've told creationists that evolution has absolutely NOTHING to do with human origins. They pretend to listen and then just keep repeating that evolution precludes a creator. They tell their followers that if the fossil records are correct we'd be up to our ears in the bones of all the creatures who've died. When that's refuted they just pop over to the next bit of misinformation. When all their arguments have been thwarted they just go back to the beginning and start in with evolution precludes God again. You're skeptical about evolution because you think you can't have your faith if it's true. You're wrong.

10. This person 9. Most of the seven dwarfs 8. The Verizon guy 7. Quill, the X-Men human porcupine 6. An under-quota MoveOn.org recruiter 5. A brayer (someone who laughs like a donkey) 4. Anyone eating from a tub o' broccoli 3. Someone who snorts 2. Someone who snorts and then spits on the floor 1. Bush Jr (keeps asking what the big words mean) 10. Which brands of X-ray glasses *really* work 9. How to unhook a bra with just the thumb and forefinger 8. How to mess up a household chore like dishes so you'll never be asked to do it again 7. Who wears the pants in his family (and how to iron them for her) 6. The correct answer to, "Does this dress make me look fat?" 5. The exact number of Cheese Nips left in the bag 4. Which car will get you girls 3. The nearest store that sells Cheese Nips 2. Every store in the mall with a TV when you're forced to shop on game day 1. Where the beer is Next: Top 10 Ways to Make a Lot of Money

I worked remotely with those guys so I never saw their setup but I think their magnetizer is just a big electromagnet that creates a field through which the magnet orders were passed. IIRC, the longer the magnets stayed in the magnetizer the stronger they were. Fridge magnets don't need much (most of the promotional mags on my fridge won't hold more than two sheets of paper).

I definitely see your point but I wasn't really trying for an analogy, just stating that that's what I picture when I hear about people who want to be isolated amongst like-minded folk.

Let's take this to General Discussion and just refrain from an in-depth religious discussion. AFAIC, creationism is simply an unnecessarily complex interpretation of the same Bible three major religions share (and really just the beginning of one chapter). You can still have your faith without it. God can still be omnipotent without it. And most importantly, religion and science need never worry about each other without it. I hate compound mentality but I think it's preferable to forcing your religious opinions on the rest of the public school community. There's a family right down the street from me that have ten kids (in a four bedroom house) and they're all home schooled because they're fundamentalist Christians and don't want their kids exposed to evolution in school. In fact we almost never see any of them because they also refuse to mix with the rest of the neighborhood. They keep to themselves and don't show any of the kindness or compassion I'm used to seeing from devout Christians (I have a lot of relatives who are devout without being fundies). Home schooling is one thing, but when your only socialization is within your "compound" I think it can get unhealthy. I keep picturing backward, inbred, buck-toothed, country hill people who keep spreading the same information and misinformation amongst their membership so no one ever learns anything new about anything. A closed system like that says stagnation to me. Maybe that should be their symbol, a majestic male deer, proudly leading the herd into a box canyon. Then others would flock to this banner and the New Stag Nation would be born.

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Refrigerator magnets are made with alternating positive and negative poles on their surface so they'll stick better. If you place two flat fridge magnets together and rub them against each other you can feel the attraction and repulsion. The surface of the fridge is not a magnet, it's just made from a ferrous metal. I used to work with some guys in AZ who made and sold custom fridge magnets. The sheet material doesn't come pre-charged. You print the sheet, die cut it in the shape required, then box it up to ship to the client. Before shipping you run the order through a magnetizer as the last step, otherwise they'd be sticking to your machinery all the time.

Is it illegal to carry around a razor blade and broken glass on rye sandwich?

If you make a mistake and apologize about it you are at most incompetent, at the least mistaken (and who likes to make mistakes?). If you make a mistake but keep digging you may find something else that will vindicate you. I think this is the mentality in these situations. Imagine if you bust this guy for bioterrorism, find out you're mistaken, apologize, and later learn that you missed the meth lab he had in the hidden sub-basement? That's probably what goes through law enforcement's mind when a snafu like this occurs. It sucks but I think CYA is at work in most cases like this. A buddy of mine and I were on the staff of the CU Denver student newspaper and he went down to cover the Ford / Dole rally when they came through town in 1976. He'd taken his brown bag lunch to eat and a Secret Service guy suddenly appeared and just grabbed it out of his hand and started mashing it up feeling for anything solid. He never bothered to look inside (in fact his eyes never left my buddy's face). When he'd mangled it thoroughly he just dropped the bag on the ground and moved on. The ham and swiss sandwich didn't survive. My buddy was so lucky he'd run out of apples that morning. That was Secret Service paranoia from 30 years ago. It seems like that's become par for the course with lesser agencies these days. I wonder what the Secret Service is like in the age of Homeland Security?

Sorry to slip this in after closure Cap'n but some things.... No. You claimed there were only to [sic] discrepancies. You're wrong and the links Cap'n first provided show that. Read, please. Oooh, and they believe in evolution too (those dirty dirty Catholics). They do have a few books you probably don't have but, hey, they were there first. Maybe the Protestants removed books that were there originally. Just maybe. You should check it out. From your frame of reference maybe. All I see so far is you polluting most every thread you post in. Your science and maths are shaky at best. But it's the habit of youth to ignore experience because they don't recognize it. Everything is an absolute when you're 16.

I remember hearing that (when I was 16) and thinking, "Wow, that proves the Bible is accurate! No other text has remained so unchanged for so long!" Then a few years later I actually read the translations and realized I'd been lied to. There were hundreds of deviations in meaning, mostly from the King James version I'd grown up with. Not to mention all those nagging extra Gospels. And I really liked the Apocrypha, especially the Gospel of Thomas. But it never made up for the fact I'd been told a lie by my church.

You happen to be wrong on both counts. Evolutionary theory is one of the most sound, testable, falsifiable, repeatable theories in science backed up by tons of evidence (and by theory I don't mean "idea"). It's proven to the point any theory is proven, which means we're just waiting for any series of tests to disprove it. But so far, nada. And creationism isn't a religion, it's an interpretation, one born out of fear that science is out to disprove Christianity. Guess what? Science shouldn't care about religion one way or another. You don't use the natural to measure the supernatural. Ummm, using science and religion to prove or disprove one another is like using a hammer to remove someone's spleen. How's that, you Physicistines?

Actually Phil, I would argue that creationism is NOT OK and I'm pretty tolerant of religious beliefs. There's no reason why an awesome higher power (even the Abrahamic God) couldn't have set the evolutionary process in motion billions of years ago. Why would God make the earth appear so old? With all the possible interpretations for Genesis why pick the most literal and ludicrous? But you're right, using science and religion to prove or disprove one another is like using a hammer to figure out what time it is. It's just the wrong tool for the job.

Which is important when you're only 16. I remember wanting a magic wand that made homework disappear. If the Nazarenes hadn't frowned on dancing, singing and dating I would have chosen the "fact-free" life of a creationist. Btw, this debris can't stay in Evo. Boot to Speculations (he kicks, it's up, IT'S GOOOOD!!!)

I'm just going to be proactive here and praise the tree for his support. I want you to know how much the Staff appreciates positive feedback. It's too easy to go out of our ways to criticize. Thanks, the tree, you've earned yourself some reputation there. And mooeypoo, you just keep asking the questions darlin. It's great to have you here in the US away from all the tension. I hope your family is well.

It did seem that way to me.