The Peon

You should know by now--never challange my credibility! NEVAAAR!

 

Here's that Arthur Keith quote put out by Mississippi State Universersity:

http://www.msstate.edu/org/sacs/quotes.html

 

And Mazarashi: Chiyo-chan rocks!

You are becomming redundant and boring due to your neglect of others comments and then pressing your own down our throats. *walks away shaking his head*

<----- Still wondering why Mexican is an option and Asiatic/Mongoloid is not.

Sorry about the link I put up earlier that didn't work!

 

ARCHAEOPTERYX-is a lie.

http://www.tccsa.tc/articles/hoax.html

 

And mezarashi' date=' thank you so much for responding so respectfully. You disagreed, but were nice about. Thanx.

 

and Xyph

 

This same science used to make all our comforts actually prove ID.

 

The more that science discovers, the more intricate we realize our world and our universe is.

And the more we discover, the more unlikely it is that all things came about by chance.

 

Does that make sense? [/quote']

 

Yes scientists only want to lie to you. DAMNIT!!! You got us!

 

Look dude, do me a favor, and study cosmology and astronomy. When you can even slightly comprehend the vastness of the universe, and the fact that we can detect planets around almost every single star our there, imagine the chances that planets like earth can exist, and then imagine the chances of abiogenesis happening. You will realize its quite a usual thing to happen. Just give up your imaginary friend, real friends await you that care much more about you then "God" does.

 

Oh, and if you think Archeopetrix is a hoax, what about microraptor? Guess we made that up too.

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...I dont see how this can work' date=' because it would allow us to observe what was inside the event horizon of the large black hole; we would know a mass is present, and would even be able to tell that its a black hole due to the pressence of a singularity "bulging" outwards. Could someone point out to me why this is incorrect?[/quote']

 

Precisely why I asked. I figured we could actually see what is "inside" the hole as it "ripped!" *is suddenly very curious*

I would like to know what happens to the supermassive blackholes in the center of galaxies when they collide. Do the two holes instantly join like 2 drops of water, or do they sort of "rip" at each other as they pass between each other?

an embarassment really. I never knew the answer; I had overheard it one day and that is how I remembered it. I was hoping there would be a better answer than that. And you're right' date=' not even a valid riddle, and if it was, who is supposed to guess that solution?! Thank you for that. Here, I'll post another that may not be so childish.

 

Bright as diamonds,

Loud as thunder,

Never still,

A thing of wonder.[/quote']

 

Sounds like a waterfall to me.

I will give outsiders opinions on the matter, since I am still unsure of what I believe in regards to this.

I once heard that its not Negroids, but specifically afro-americans that have the large penis. Why? Simple. Afro-Americans spent 400 years in slavery doing hard labor. The ones with more testosterone and other strong body hormones/influences persisted while the weaker slaves died off, or were bred out by the slave masters. This produced a man who was stronger, and better suited to manual labor. The side effect of these hormones of course, is a larger penis during puberty. I dont know if this is true, or if it can account for the myth, but it made sense to me. I am hesitant to believe it though without hearing it from someone who knows about this stuff, since I heard it from a layperson to science.

Did Neanderthal have pointed noses and a fair complexion? Also, evolution isn't guaranteed to happen the same way, even in the exact same environment is it? To say the Mongoloid and Caucasoid had to adapt in the same way is flawed.

While these are good questions, the nasal cavity of Neanderthals was larger then any sapien, and a larger nose would assist it in the colder enviroment. I find it suspect only caucasoids or caucasoid mixes would produce the larger nose that they exhibit, and not the mongoloid. It may appear flawed, but I think its more flawed (is that possible? ) to disregard the evidence presented (especially the ginger gene) because of lack of more evidence.

LOL! I'm not holding my breath on those microbes, but I'm convinced that countless other living beings exist in the universe and that I do indeed communicate daily with the highest of them, the creator, manager and majesty of them and us via the mediatory work of the man Jesus who lived on, died on and resurrected from planet earth, according to the Biblical record. I cannot prove that to you, nor is this thread the place to try, but I have experienced remarkable evidence of this, having been a devout Christian for 60 years since age 10.

I still would like to know what kind of answer you would have when the microbes are found. Ah well, I guess we will know within the next few years when they get some.

And your book has some flaws..

GOD'S QUALITIES (part 1) - 1 John 4:8

God is love.

GOD'S QUALITIES (part 2) - 1 Corinthians 13:4

Love is not jealous.

GOD'S QUALITIES (part 3) - Exodus 20:5

"I, the Lord thy God, am a jealous God."

GOD'S QUALITIES (part 4) AND NAME - Exodus 34:14

For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

Many more exist.

"Alot" is not a word.

"Not unless we evolved alot of or emotional makeup out of us" is horribly mangled and should not even be allowed to be called a sentence.

Please remember that improper spelling and grammar lowers one's credibility drastically' date=' especially on message boards such as this.

 

In regards to your post; it is a simple as that. If you don't want to pay taxes and you say, "You're going through me if you want to get to my money," the government will swiftly but firmly move you aside and take the money that they need.[/quote']

 

 

The "Ad-Hominem" Fallacy: this is also known as "attacking the messenger, not the message". One of the most common forms of the ad-hominem fallacy in online debates is to poke fun at someone's spelling errors and then conclude that the person's points are wrong.

 

You also inserted a Strawman Fallacy.

 

Well good luck with your euthenasia plan. Maybe some other forumers can support your view.

That's utterly and completely ridiculous. If this becomes law, and you stand in the government's way, you get punished. If you don't like the law, you move out of the country. It's as simple as that.

No its not as simple as that. Reread my post and you will realize the complexity of it. I wont be punished, I would be dead. I realize perception is reality, and I have soiled my soul by trying to understand your point of view, but I only see anger and hatred for wanting this. I dont see with our current biological makeup how this would ever become law anyhow. Not unless we evolved alot of our emotional makeup out of us.

Your previous post states that mentally retarded individuals will still be produced by the people even if all the ones living now were removed. This is true, however, it must be like weeding a garden; everyone knows that even though they pull out all the weeds one day, more will grow back soon. It will just be an ongoing job. There is nothing wrong with that.

Let me put it this way then. If you came to euthenize my little retarded brother (just an example, I do not have a retarded person in my family), you would do it over my dead body. So now you are faced with a dilemma, now you must kill a perfectly able, perfectly sentient member of the species to get to an invalid one. What now? What if my whole family and all my friends support me? Kill them all too just to kill that one individual?

They are not suited for this world. Taking the feeding tube out of good ol' Terri was a step in the right direction!

Perhaps not alone, but with our aid they can be suited for the world, if by suited you mean having the ability to survive. And you avoided my previous post.

However, in regards to people with severe brain damage who are clearly vegetables with no chance of recovery, I do think that death is the humane thing to do. But not to semi-sentient mental retards.

ENTERTAINING? What hipocrites! You say that they are individuals and that they deserve to live and yet you equate them with a dog! "Entertaining... fun... small doses." Try LIVING with one at your side for years and then come back and argue my point!

Erm you are building assumptions based on a single word. Entertaining can encompass a large array of stimulations. I used my Dog as an example to show that although he is a pain in the ass most of the time, I still love him.

By the way, I still dont know if you realize even if you killed all retarded people today, more would be born tomorrow. Its a genetic misfire not a hereditary.

Why must he cause stress to everyone around him? The world is better off in its entirety if he were not to exist.

He doesnt "cause stress." You are stressed because of him. Thats the difference you need to realize. And I fail to see how the world would be better. In whos mind? I actually find mentally retarded people entertaining and fun to be around in measured doses, and they are strangers. If it were my little brother, I am sure I would love him, just like a love my dog who just ate my friggin lunch when I wasnt looking the other day.

To change your perspective a little, my brother has been mentally retarded since birth. We have done all we could to facilitate his emergence into the real world, but anything we do only makes the problem worse. He is beginning to realize he is different, and is going into a state of constant depression. Pity is no excuse for love, and no one loves a retarded individual.

Wrong. YOU dont love a retarded individual. Other familys do. It seems to me the issue is not the removal of an invalid, but the hatred that I am assuming you have for your younger brothers burden on your family.

Like what? Anything we do to help ease the burden of their existence only makes it harder to bear.

Erm, may I suggest you spend a day with a family that has a mentally retarded in it? Then maybe you can obtain some empathy. You do understand down syndrome is a genetic misfire and not hereditary?

Why must we keep alive the minds of those who are nothing more than shells? Vegetative individuals are more of an ethical weight on the back of America than an ethical balance! And while we are at it, why must the mentally retarded stay on this earth? They are a burden to society; we do not know how to treat them, and so we try to avoid them. Those few who live with and around them feel pity and shame. We will only reach a peaceful equilibrium, often called by the name "Utopia", if we correct these imbalances in the world.

Because they have normal familys that love them, and most of that sounds like Nazism. There are other ways which are much more humane to deal with those issues then eradication.

I thought I explained it well enough.

 

ID doesn't assume anything. Just like in a court of law' date=' you are not assumed guilty. Rather, the court says, "We think you're guilty. Here's the proof."

ID never assumes there's a God. It proves it. How does it do it? Scroll up and read my post before this.

 

 

 

*sigh*....okay. I meant transitional forms that weren't lies like Archaeopteryx.

 

I have a question for you evolutionists. *chews gum*

How many Piltdown Mans and Nebraska Mans are you guys going conjure to up?

*shakes head*

 

I'm gonna go get something to eat.

Yes. We are all out to get you and lie to you. None of us care to know why, and none care about truth.

I think you are here debating with us because you yourself are confused. You WANT to believe in evolution but at the same time you cannot abandon your imaginary friend.

so we kill for fun?

If you really wish to know why we "kill" I suggest you read Desmond Morris, The Naked Ape and The Human Zoo. Its a simple question you pose, but the answer is very complex. Much killing has to do with re-directed aggression, and animals do it as well when caged.

I want to see if anyone can make the theory of evolution stand on it's own merit.

 

But if no one can' date=' than hopefully we can just be adult and admit that this is a hack theory.[/quote']

 

Sure. White people exist, black people exist. To science this change occured over 10s of thousands of years. Multiply the changes they made from each other over millions of years without any interbreeding and BAM!!! You got evolution, 2 species which cannot procreate sterile offspring, much like a horse and a donkey which produce a mule. In fact, if you believe the earth was here for only 10000 years like some creationists, and the racial changes occured in that short period of time, evolution happens at an extremely rapid rate compared to what science shows it to occur.

 

Edit: Another example. Microbes evolve at a much higher rate due to the simplicity of them. Scientists found microbes deep under the earth which were anaerobic (did not need oxygen to survive), yet they still had genes to breath air. Why? Its obvious they evolved over time to accomadate themselves to there new underground enviroment and as they went deeper they became anaerobic. You want evolution in progress just look at killer viruses and bacteria. Higher organisms simply need more time. Or do we somehow not follow the same laws that apply to other forms of life?

Neanderthals

 

Neanderthals and mtDNA

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Finding out about our most recent common ancestor relies solely on inferences from the mtDNA of people living today. What if we could actually compare our mtDNA with mtDNA of a distant ancestor? This' date=' in fact, has been done, with mtDNA from the bones of Neanderthals. Comparing mtDNA of these Neanderthals to mtDNA of living people from various continents, researchers have found that the Neanderthals' mtDNA is not more closely related to that of people from any one continent over another. This was an unwelcome finding for anthropologists who believe that there was some interbreeding between Neanderthals and early modern humans living in Europe (which might have helped to explain why modern Europeans possess some Neanderthal-like features); these particular anthropologists instead would have expected the Neanderthals' mtDNA to be more similar to that of modern Europeans than to that of other peoples. Moreover, the researchers determined that the common ancestor to Neanderthals and modern Homo sapiens lived as long as 500,000 years ago, well before the most recent common mtDNA ancestor of modern humans. This suggests (though it does not prove) that Neanderthals went extinct without contributing to the gene pool of any modern humans.[/quote']

 

Some form of Hybrids can still contribute "untracable" genes into solely the european (caucasoid) gene pool, as the ginger gene shows. A lack of evidence as stated earlier is not evidence, and it seems more probobal this occured rather then basing all the credibility to mtDNA. Evidence is actually mounting to the contrary, I have heard as well that the human genome contains 8 major variations, some of which are solely caucasoid (note the last sentence has not been verified to me, so I may be wrong with that sentence), either way, just because science cannot currently explain something does not mean it did not occur.

Without Jesus you would fly into outerspace. He holds us to the earth! Where is your respect?

... Even still, some genes might have snuck in.

Most likely from rape, hell I heard of people who rape animals if they are desperate enough (pr0n?). Why not a similar looking homonid?

I do. And to a great extent the evidence backs up the theory greatly. It most likely is fact, and probobly occured practically identically along the lines as science portrays it.