Thank you so much my friend, TAR2. I appreciated your well thought out response. "Hum. Consciousness till the end of the universe. Don't you think by then we would have figured a way to even avoid that?" I was going to mention perhaps we will find a way to quantum leap through dimensions, if you want to go real far, even perhaps becoming deities of our own Universes. " But I am not so sure we are setup to look forward to great great great great great.....great grand kids. Plus, there is already a population problem we have been having for the last 50 years or so, and in places like China, normal "drives" are already dissuaded and rules put in place to have only one child and such. " True, but in places with high education levels and high standard of living among the populace, the birth rate is actually stabilizing and the population declining. It might be that as humans have more and more of their needs met, and they understand the world around them better, they naturally stop producing children. We see this in nations of various cultures. The nations where life is hard, the highest birth rates exist. I think that combined with the technology that will give us eternal life, we wont have to worry about procreation. What's more, if the entire galaxy is not colonized yet by other species of life, we will need to colonize entire worlds. " I am not thinking immortality will be achieved without concurrent problems and losses of some "human" attributes. For instance, it would no doubt take a lot of energy, and know how, and reliance on technology and such, which would probably be expensive, and not available to everyone. How then would we chose who gets to continue, and who has to die?" I think once the "holy grail" of immortality is within the actual grasp of humanity, an epiphany will take over the species as a whole. The technology will be achieved via nuclear fusion. Research groups such as Skunk Works have released public videos announcing discoveries in nuclear fusion, making it cheap and easy.
As for who gets to live and who gets to die, I would honestly hope that with an entire galaxy to colonize and explore we would put aside petty differences, celebrate each others cultures and heritages, stop allowing bankers and politicians to run our civilizations, and press forth to reach our destiny. I think this can be achieved because I believe that if enough people think like me, it will happen, no matter who has what money or what weapons. I think an immediate open global education system needs to be set up, with international accrediting. Diplomas and trade skills can be learned primarily online, with local journeymen available to complete training if need be in developing areas. That should be the first right of every human being. The second right to every human being is the right to travel anywhere one pleases. This will ensure morally inferior societies will dwindle away in time, or so I predict and hope. The third right of every human is the right to all resources and technology, barring the kind that can harm other human beings. That technology will be regulated by global councils whose primary purpose should be to organize a global military to defend against any possible hostile alien life. All this can really be achieved is a lengthy discussion, perhaps you can imagine a vast global distribution network primarily run by automatons and AI. This will all be powered by aforementioned fusion power. The fourth right is freedom of speech in all forms. Even hate speech should be open to ridicule, because by it's very essence it's ridiculous. An educated society would reject that form of banter. The fifth and final right should be freedom of transparency. Every public official and person serving on any council must be open to complete scrutiny. I would even recommend the more critical the position, the more transparent the position become. This may seem counter intuitive, but if you force the entire species to be as one with information vital to the survival of the species, honesty will ensue. "the consciousness of my maternal grandparents was embodied in my mom, and that of my paternal grandparents, embodied in my dad, and my parent's consciousness embodied in me. My dad is alive, my mom has passed away, but I still remember her, and have her as part of my consciousness, as if, in a way, she is continuing. Perhaps just the way we are doing it, is already a plan that will take us, and our consciousness into the future, past our deaths. Socrates is already immortal. The Pharos have their pyramids, still...Plus I still hate Bin Laden, even though he is dead. If we lived forever, would we carry grudges that long?" That is very poetic and beautiful. A deep spiritual way of looking at it. As for the great ones, and the great things, and the evil ones, and the evil things that lead to grudges... I think the Universe is a VAST place, and civil, advanced beings will respect each others immortality and perhaps find peace elsewhere from each other. Perhaps at that point such petty disputes will mean nothing and we will be as true brothers and sisters as a species. "And what if we planned the situation incompletely and left out some important component that we missed having?" I am confident that if we use proper scientific techniques we can develop ways to fail safe technology. The way I see it we will progress in stages. The first is Cyborgism. We are entering that stage now. After that will be merged interfaces. We will have nanobio implants that will allow us to interface with technology. Then finally, we will merge with the machines and become quantum beings. This is the stage that perhaps we will leave the Universe, and that is perhaps why we do not see galactic empires of aliens. Perhaps it's the destiny of all creatures to leave this Universe. Maybe travelling through space is restricted by laws of physics and travelling through dimensions is a much better route to go. " Like what if you had to do without taste buds or something like that. Or sex? Might not be worth it. Living forever might not be a workable situation for 10 million consciousnesses. " Those sensations are merely interpretations of energy. Once we can master the laws of the Universe in a more refined fashion, we will be able to "see" and experience things unimaginable right now. I always believed the reason for living was that you are rewarded for actions you perform, and thus quality of life dictates if you want to live or die. If you are happy, why would you want to die? Even if you were 10²²² years old, if you were happy you would not need to die or want to die. I hope this response has given you hope. You are around my mothers age, and it would be so tragic to me, where I to attain immortality in my lifetime, and my own parents are the generation that died off before it was achieved I wish more people took this seriously and dedicated their lives to this pursuit. Cheers my brother.