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Sorry, it should've appeared in my previous post.

I don't know how, but it does not mean that it is impossible. E.g., A. Zee mentioned such possibility here (just an illustration that it is not obvious that it is impossible):

There are many things in physics that exist without us being able to visualize them. Or did I misunderstand the question?

This is good enough to continue the analysis. The statement, does not affect this point:

1. Do you mean, if it cannot be measured it cannot change? I disagree. 2. Regardless of the 1 above, couldn't a measuring particle be attached to the changing particle? I.e., without a space.

Right, we've established already that a change is necessary for time to make sense. I don't see yet that change requires space. If there can be change without space, then there can be time without space.

I think, they all agree that particle falls through the horizon. They disagree only on the timing of this event: for one, it happens in a finite time, for the other - infinite.

Without space, wavelike characteristics wouldn't apply. Does it mean time wouldn't exist? Are the wavelike characteristics necessary for a change?

Why not? Some kind akin oscillating neutrinos?

Is it correct to say, that for an outside observer the electrons (as anything else) will never disappear behind the BH horizon, and their charges will never disappear behind it, too?

However, it happens all the time. A car moves as seen by a person standing outside, and it does not move as seen by its passenger. No contradiction.

A car moves and doesn't move. Is it a contradiction?

In other words, yes, time could exist without gravity and without space, if I understand your statement correctly.

I don't have any idea what is/was their believe.

Do you mean seasons as in spring-summer-fall-winter?

Haven't I been taught what?

"Taught"? I said, "told."

One can be told fairy tales. One cannot be told a human institution.

Yes, it is. Perhaps I should've said, "religion as a human institution vs religion as a bunch of fairy tales." PS. Sorry, I like to read but I avoid listening because of APD.

As @Markus Hanke has pointed, the gravity (as we know it) would not exist without time. Would time (as we know it) exist without gravity? Without space?

The link is "physical" as it can be measured. And it "stretches" across space. The paradoxes arise from seeing something else, I guess.

Yes, I also think that distinction between religion and theism is only technical. What is distinct for the purposes of this discussion, I think, is a human institution vs fairy tales.

There is a shorter way to reply to only a part of a post. Select the part, a floating text appears offering to quote the selection (see below), click on it, the rest is the same minus a need to remove anything.

just a very tiny insignificant correction: 2nd.

is it not?