CuriosOne

20 minutes ago, Bufofrog said:

You got that concept wrong as usual.

I now assume that you are either a poorly written bot or a person just pulling our collective leg.  Nobody could be that confused and still be able use a computer.

So have fun, I guess.

Maybe whomever created the concept in the 1st place "didn't understand it well enough to be universal." There are better teachers out there """your obviously not one of them.""""

After all, common sense says this modern stuff did not existed in Newton's time..

10 minutes ago, joigus said:

CuriosOne, I've never seen anyone who understands so little and claims to understand so much at the same time.

I'm very nearly done with you too.

That's funny because if I were Newton I'd say the same of your particle waves..🤣

All that computer stuff you placed up was not available to Newton, it did not exist in his time, so then why should anyone in our time bother with it..

Also, I'm not able to respond on that post you replied too "for some reason."

13 minutes ago, swansont said:

String length is a real concept, but it bears only a passing resemblance to what you said.

I'm just seeing the relationship of time, length and distance and how physics creates a digital model that works in the physical world,  QM is digital..

And yes, I already know no one wants to hear that..

19 minutes ago, swansont said:

The equations do not indicate that any particular base must be used. 

We do in in base 10 when we calculate by hand. Computers do it in base 2 when they calculate. The answers are the same. 

Can you give a legitimate reason to expect otherwise?

What angle relationships incorporate direction?

Acceleration is dv/dt. There’s no inherent angle-based relationship.

I think one of your difficulties is that you are unable to draw distinctions between independent areas of math and science.

Correct I do not see them in algebrea they appear to be angle based..

For instance I've seen acceleration expressed as v1-v2 = some distance then I see that same distance / some change in time...

But "where in time"  is what I do not comprehend...

Let's also note that "accelerations" is "relative" ie the moon "falling around earth" or radio signals bouncing off walls at a certain time dt, it would help if we mention this as "detection" disturbances or simply observations..All of coarse are created through some "physical force."

You may see how all this confuses anyone when onto of this computers, people and even atoms for that matter decide to use their own number systems... 

18 hours ago, MigL said:

I have no clue what you mean by any of this.
This is one of the 'assertions' Swansont warned you about.
If you don't understand a concept, or are unsure, ask the question; don't go jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions.

That information was directly out of computer science books the "while and if statements" uses a string of number, 6556444 or a string of text dghggh and assigns a value of 0 to 1 to the string variable it creates a "length" or distances..

15 minutes ago, Sensei said:

...I am waiting for somebody training his/her computer chatbot on science forums... I imagine discussion will be as "fruitful" as this one...

 

 

Stop diverging my "question" its ok if you do not know the answer and please refrain the awkward and bizarre philosophy its not working with me anymore...

With this said,  its hard to believe that trigonometry can be used with any base numeral system when considering "magnatude and direction" acceleration and all other angle based relationships in regards to time...

3 minutes ago, Sensei said:

It is not important. It can be any base. Any numerical system.

Are You 100% Sure On This??

4 minutes ago, MigL said:

We use base 10 for the probable reason that we can count on ten fingers.
Computers use base 2 because they can only count on two fingers ( voltage on, and voltage off ).
But you can represent any number or math operation in either base.

 A simple way of looking at base is the number of digits you use.
Base 10 uses 10 digits, 0,1,2...8,9.
Base 2 use only two digits, o and 1 ( voltage on, and voltage off ).

Understood but:

Counting by base 10= 10, 20, 30 

Counting by base 2 = 2, 4, 6

Is this correct?

1 minute ago, Sensei said:

sine alpha = b/c

cosine alpha = a/c

Tables can be used. They speed up calculations. Tables were used frequently in the 1980s and 1990s for trigonometry before FPUs were introduced to processors.

But there are algorithms which simulate sin/cos without having to rely on tables.

Obviously you can find detailed descriptions of algorithms on.. Wikipedia..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sine

 

 

What Base Does It Use???

For, Sin, Cos, Tan...?

1 hour ago, John Cuthber said:

Newton grew up in a world where 12 inches made a foot, three feet made a yard, Two yards (or six feet) made a fathom,  five and   a half yards made a pole, four poles made a chain; ten chains made a furlong and 8 furlongs made a mile.
He would have measured masses: 16 drachms made 1 ounce, 16 ounces made 1 pound and 14 pounds made a stone. Two stone was a quarter and 4 quarters (112 pounds)  made a hundredweight and 20 hundredweight made a ton.
 

He was, for a while, Master of the Mint so he understood that you got four farthings to the penny, 12 pennies to a shilling and 20 shillings to the pound. He also knew about guineas (twenty-one shillings).

He must, therefore, have been able to do arithmetic in bases 3,4,5.5,6, 8, 10, 12, 14 ,16 20 and 21.

You can add 60 to the list, since he will have worked in minutes and seconds (of arc and of time).

Given that he was bright and numerate, he would probably been able to figure in gross (144) too.

His published works would have included the Roman and Arabic numeral systems.

 

So why would the question "Did Issac Newton know about numeral systems?" lead to
 

?
The answer is obviously "yes".
A batter question might be "will we ever teach "CuriousOne" about number bases?"

 

So from what I see, a base is "any number" 

So if the base is 10

10^2 = 100 or 1

Or 10, 20, 30, 40 etc ??

So if the base is 3

3^2 = 9 or again 1

Or 3, 6, 9, 12,  etc ??

And where did that 2 come from??

The one in 10^2 <---

The one in 3^2<---

8 hours ago, Sensei said:

No. We don't use "numeral systems in calculus"...

Numeral system is just a way to display numbers..

1) computers don't compute calculus by themselves. They execute program written in machine code.

2) computers are programmable, so programmer is responsible for making code which is doing something the programmer wants.

3) computers have just a basic set of math instructions. Add, subtract, multiply, divide, and, or, xor, not, sin, cos. Nothing complex.

Actually, you don't need to have multiply, divide, sin or cos instructions in CPU at all. Old CPUs (e.g. Motorola 6502/6510) did not have them, but programmer still could simulate these operations.

4) you don't need computer to compute by yourself.

He had a brain... and a sheet of paper... and a pencil...

Doubtful.

 

So "where" does sin, cos and tan come from?  "as they" are a table of values among itself, and without it trigonometry "numbers" the results of the triginometry fractions are useless..I'm glad to know "highly relied on" machines, use "simple" math concepts...Maybe nature is simpler than I thought.

8 hours ago, Sensei said:

No. We don't use "numeral systems in calculus"...

Numeral system is just a way to display numbers..

1) computers don't compute calculus by themselves. They execute program written in machine code.

2) computers are programmable, so programmer is responsible for making code which is doing something the programmer wants.

3) computers have just a basic set of math instructions. Add, subtract, multiply, divide, and, or, xor, not, sin, cos. Nothing complex.

Actually, you don't need to have multiply, divide, sin or cos instructions in CPU at all. Old CPUs (e.g. Motorola 6502/6510) did not have them, but programmer still could simulate these operations.

4) you don't need computer to compute by yourself.

He had a brain... and a sheet of paper... and a pencil...

Doubtful.

 

How on earth does calculus not use numeral systems if its trigonometry based??

IE Secants, Tangent "Lines"

These are straight lines, they "don't bend." 

Did Issac Newton know about numeral systems? IE Bases 10, 2, 1 etc etc? 

If not then, why do we use them "in calculus today??" 

Moreover, how can computers compute calculus? Issac Newton didn't have one, or did he?? Was it a Macintosh??  seriously..

This should be a very interesting thread..

3 hours ago, iNow said:

Starting?

Reading this, I was totally about to say Rosalind Franklin until that last part about online science forums

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Franklin

So you "truly" think every member in science forums around the entire world "never" take ideas from other member's posts for their own private endeavours that never give credit at-least to the science forum and its member??

Especially when those post are "public?"

It's ok to say yes, but it does not mean im wrong.

4 hours ago, MigL said:

I also asked you previously
What do you think 'base' means ?

Give us your understanding/interpretation.
You seem to think we are all telling you something different than what the rest of us all understand we are telling you.
YOU is the common denominator to this misunderstanding.
( do you know what a denominator is ?  )

A base is obviously a conversion factor by 1, and a dominator is a distance from 0 to 1.....It works in reverse...

A more confusing way of thinking about it is right here, copied from wikipedia..

The same sequence of symbols may represent different numbers in different numeral systems. For example, "11" represents the number eleven in the decimal numeral system (used in common life), the number three in the binary numeral system (used in computers), and the number two in the unary numeral system (e.g. used in tallying scores).

The number the numeral represents is called its value.

2 minutes ago, Sensei said:

Nothing, but visual representation of a number, changes in different numeral systems ("bases")..Regardless if it is PI, or any other number.

255 = 0xFF = $FF = %11111111 = CCLV

It is still the same value, just differently written..

You should start from reading Wikipedia article about numeral systems ("bases") first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeral_system

"A numeral system (or system of numeration) is a writing system for expressing numbers; that is, a mathematical notation for representing numbers of a given set, using digits or other symbols in a consistent manner."

I sure will read and study this...And give it the benifit of a doubt...ThnXxxxx

5 hours ago, HallsofIvy said:

  It looks to  me  like you don't know what "base" means here.

 

 

Ok, "Can You Show An Example?"

10 hours ago, swansont said:

You will need to clarify this. Radiant? Ominous? 

 

Those are constants. As is a=2, or b=16.3

 

It doesn’t matter. Base 10 is the usual way of expressing numbers in a lot of fields, but you could express a constant in any base, and certain disciplines use other bases. d= 10110 is a constant expressed in base 2, for example.

I'm very very sorry to say this, but it sounds like theoretical number theory..

This is what's confusing...

4 hours ago, HallsofIvy said:

  It looks to  me  like you don't know what "base" means here.

 

 

Neither does anyone else for that matter, as bases seize to exists through the use of pi ratio....

3 hours ago, MigL said:

No, we have all seen your posts and know that your level of mathematical understanding is 'middle' school level.
You don't know any calculus, or even grasp limits; I don't think you can begin to do any QM ( where the fun is ), never mind the 'way it's used in our modern day and age' ( ? time of use makes a difference ? ).

And you don't seem to understand the meaning of 'numerology'.
( did you even read the link; where does it mention 'respected' applications and domain ? )

How many times must you be told to ask questions regarding things you don't understand, if you want to be taken seriously ?
And these aren't even advanced topics; you don't understand the basic building blocks on which the 'entry level' stuff is based.
People have tried to help, but you ignore their advice; they're starting to lose patience with you.

I don't use practical math for my personal endeavours if that's what you mean.

I read about numerolgy eons ago...

3 hours ago, Sensei said:

No, I don't ... and I suppose any member of this forum too,

of any real world example of "stealing ideas from scientific forum layman, by somebody who later received Nobel prize"..

You are skirting, because you do not know as well.

Otherwise, give a direct answer, the name of Nobel prize winner and from who he or she stole the idea on scientific forum.

Let me know what part you did not comprehend...

Copied and pasted for the 2nd time.

If you don't know of any "from your science to knowledge endeavours" then its pointless telling you.

10 minutes ago, joigus said:

Look out for crawling thinkers. More than a million dollars are at stake.  

Lol

7 minutes ago, John Cuthber said:

No.

I mean numerology .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology

Understood...."But" it does have its own respected applications in it's own "domain."

2 hours ago, swansont said:

3/5 is a fraction - portrayed as a ratio of two whole numbers

3/5 = 0.6  

0.6 is a decimal, which is the result from evaluating the division of that ratio, in base 10

 

 

When you state something as true, without support, it is an assertion. 

 

 Math is math. Physics uses math, but is not math.

 

They let you keep track of physical parameters.

 

Usually.

The choice often one of ease of use, or possibly convention. Base 10 is the default in many cases, as I said.

I just did some calculations with this information and I must truly say thanks..

Calculus truly makes ""more"" sense now, and I'm hoping other science members whom had years of agonizing confusion read this thread.

1 hour ago, MigL said:

But base two ( binary ) and base 16 ( hexadecimal ) are used in computer programming.

 0 and 1 uses the concept of "distance" 

In computer science..

i = 0

while i < length ('  ')

i = i + 1

It usually applies a distance in a string of characters, numbers or letters, the very 1st character is 0..

However, I see a relationship here to length or distances in general..

1 hour ago, John Cuthber said:

And other forms of fraud.

 

Numerology doesn't work.

When you say "numerolgy" do you mean "number theory" or any other cryptography field? 

I just want to make sure we are on the same track....I use cryptography as it has numerous applications especially dealing with QM, in my opinion its where all the fun is at...

Oh my, have i said too much now...🤣🤣🤣

18 minutes ago, MigL said:

A 'constant' is constantly the same value; it does not change.
The value of Pi is 3.141… in base 10
And 11.001… in base 2

The ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter doesn't change in different number bases.

 

This is exactly what I was looking for..

The ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter does not change in different bases..

"""""IT'S BASE MUST BE INFINITE???"""""

But as far as typical bases goes..

Example using some random numbers here..

111.000 is base 3 ?

7656.0877 is base 4 ?

6567566.099 is base 7 ?

Etc etc??

 "base" is another word for distance...

""""""Base 10 must be special""""""🤣😂

No Wonder!

2 hours ago, Janus said:

No.  It simply wouldn't be worth the time and effort to sort through the vast quantities of "chaff" to find one grain of wheat that likely doesn't even exist. 

I agree "at times" there is a lot of "information" in and out of social media that is hard to keep up with.

2 minutes ago, John Cuthber said:

No, I speak English.

"Really" I thought you spoke "science"

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣

24 minutes ago, Bufofrog said:

Numerology is not common sense, it is garbage.

It has its "field" of application like religion, politics, math, science and other "fields of study....No need to be "biased."

6 hours ago, John Cuthber said:

Funny thing is; whenever I see people talking about "They are planning to steal my ideas", it's people whose ideas aren't worth stealing.

You speak chronologically??

Maybe the idea doesn't work under a certain metric unit...😎

4 hours ago, StringJunky said:

This quote seems appropriate: "The average person thinks he is not".

Until you read my reply to your comment..lol

6 hours ago, StringJunky said:

@curiousone So, you think you can bypass the the decades of study that it takes to achieve notability in scientific circles? Science is like any other endeavour... practice, practice, practice. It's my guess that the trmes amateurs have had their ideas 'pinched' on a forum by pro scientistists is vanishingly small. All scientists know that once an idea is 'out there' anyone can use it and they expect/hope  it will be used.

I totally disagree with you because "my culture" were masters at science...So for me I'm synchronized with nature...It doesn't take me too long to figure stuff out...It does however take me time to understand "why" it's used the way it's used in our modern day and age.

But regardless, there is a very big difference between infridgment and free use...

And this may explain why "pro work" concludes other "in direct information" amatures ""are discovering" other than what it was intended for.....

I see it all the time, they call it numerology, but I call it common sense..

This OP not only applies to science but to fashion, music, books, art etc..

This is planet earth, I keep telling people.

6 minutes ago, swansont said:

Where the f@%& did this strawman come from? I made no claims about any of these topics.

It's not that your claiming "this", but your disprooving "this"

Your thinking is very much like calculus..

9 hours ago, joigus said:

(My emphasis)

Real thinkers don't crawl; they glide. They also share knowledge. They are good listeners and readers of other people's ideas, as well as communicators of their own. 

(My emphasis)

Oh boy, the box again. Real thinkers know the way back home, to the safety of the trusty box, and always keep handy the key to it, because it's where everything makes sense. And no matter how far away from the box they might venture, they never lose sight of the box's entrances, and have a good mental picture of its rooms and corridors.

When they're back home, they meet people who live in the box, and they're quite capable of talking about box-related, domestic matters. But during their outings, they find people of all sorts, some of them are lost, barefoot, exhausted, paranoid about every little sound in the forest, following no line of bread crumbs, unable to find their bearings.

I can totally relate, "trust me."

8 hours ago, Sensei said:

..any real world example of this extraordinary claim.. ?

If you don't know of any "from your science to knowledge endeavours" then its pointless telling you.

7 hours ago, swansont said:

Another vague, unsupported claim, implying a widespread truth that is instead merely a personal opinion.

Maybe you feel dumb and worthless, and that’s too bad, but you speak for only yourself. And without specifics, this is a worthless observation, since there is no way to fix anything that might be wrong. It’s criticism but not constructive criticism. 

We get plenty of traffic from people sharing their out-of-the-box ideas, so the evidence does not support your assertion with regard to this site.

You have provided no evidence that this has happened. (not surprising to me; I don’t think I’ve ever seen you do this. It’s getting old.)

Well then, when ever you want to share your "perfect" world where everyone is equal, loving healthy, "all get paid equally for their jobs, "where women are not objects of sex  but rather thinkers like everyone else" and everywhere you go others have not one single judgement on you---------> please let "the rest of us foolish people" know the location...lol...

1 hour ago, swansont said:

Are you still confused, or did your search answer the question?

Questions are fine, if based on reasonable premises. The main issue I have is when you make assertions, without supporting them.

""Yes im still confused on decimal and fractions.""

My assertions are just "random" thoughts" I would "never" assert anything even if I knew it 100%

1 hour ago, studiot said:

 

Just to clear something up.

The number itself is the same whatever "base" you use to represent it.

It is the representation in each different base that will be different.

It is often proposed that primitive Man started off with base 10 because he had 10 fingers and counted on them.
This proposal actually runs counter to archeological evidence which suggests that different primitive Men tried different base systems in different places and finally more sophisticated Man settled on the 10 base because he had 10 fingers and still counted on them.

 

Also you have introduced physical units; these are quite separate from the numbers themselves.

The volume of my glass of beer is the same whether I measure in in pints, litres, quarts, hogsheads or US gallons.

But the number representation in each unit system.

This is perhaps where you should be thinking twice.

 

I guess this leads to the more popular choice of ratios and forces of which have no dimension..Not to mention "matter" and attraction without a force of attraction, such as earth and the moon, or electron clouds attracted to protons.....

"I guess." 

So what's the point of units then?

Do we even agree on what base to use??

14 hours ago, MigL said:

Velocity HAS a direction, otherwise it is 'speed'.
Velocity can be a variable if it varies ( notice the connection ? )
Accelerations are influence by gravity, or any other force, according to     a = F/m
where a = acceleration,          F = force        and m = mass 
( bolded letters imply a vector quantity; IOW, it has a direction, usually denoted by an arrow above the letter )

Understood, I'm just trying to figure out if speed is radiant or ominous, and if velocity acts as a ray "for example" in a linear direction..The acceleration part I fully understand....But now comes the numbers and physics part im trying to comprehend in the Difference Quotient..

4 hours ago, swansont said:

Of course it’s a variable. What would be the point of finding a difference quotient for constants?

When you say constants, are these:

G,g, pi, h etc etc???

""But"" they all use base ten...

Are we talking about ""decimal values"" of the constants???

6 minutes ago, swansont said:

But we’re talking about math

 

Um, no. Just 6.67, which is expressed as a decimal, not a feaction.

 

You need glasses, then.

 

Which are not numbers

Sometimes. Sometimes it’s energy. Sometimes it’s neither. Depends on the context. 

Gee, imagine that...metric uses base 10

“closer to base 10” is meaningless. The number is expressed in base 10.

Who are the others?

what is the difference between a decimal and a fraction??? 

From Google..

more ... A fraction where the denominator (the bottom number) is a power of ten (such as 10, 100, 1000, etc). You can write decimal fractions with a decimal point (and no denominator), which make it easier to do calculations like addition and multiplication on fractions.

15 hours ago, MigL said:

Fraction means expressing as a ratio of two numbers.
For example 

1/2 = 0.5     and    1/5 =0.2     are numbers between 0 and 1 expressed as fractions, 
but, you can also have
3/2 = 1.5    and     6/3 = 2      which are not between  0 and 1 .
 

What do you think 'fraction means ?
And what is this obsession you have with number system bases.
What do you think 'base' means ?

""""I just realized I'm getting decimal bases and fractions "wrong"""""

GLAD I ASK BASIC QUESTIONS..

more ... A fraction where the denominator (the bottom number) is a power of ten (such as 10, 100, 1000, etc). You can write decimal fractions with a decimal point (and no denominator), which make it easier to do calculations like addition and multiplication on fractions.