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Most ancient human bones will never be seen. Only a relative few fossilized. Then nobody knows about the bones of the first people. Early ID created genes were likely superior to modern man, allowing close kin marriage. Very good question. This's why I read Genesis one literally. It doesn't say when the universe was created. It simply states that when the heavens and the earth were made the Biblical god did it. It does say that the sun, moon and stars were created on the 4th day, but likely those stars were those of our own area of the universe, possibly our milkey way galexy. These would have been created with the appearance of age, just as Adam and Eve were. These two were created as adults. This is clear from the context. They were created, man and woman i.e. husband and wife. This's wild conjecture with nothing to support it. At least the Biblical record is historical and complete with fulfilled prophecies.

Who would feed me and wait on me so well on the cruel outside?

Mmm' date=' I've been a Biblical fundamentalist Christian for 6 decades, having heard thousands of sermons and have never ever heard about God [i']creating himself[/i] in the Christian circles I've fellowshiped with.

Imo, there should be scores of firsts to lend some credence to the alleged randomly mutated and naturally selected stages of alleged evolution. There should also be scores, if not thousands of fossil verified first transitional evidences for both the alleged evolution of man as well as other living things. But alas, there scanty little for evos to grasp onto for any semblence of transitionals for support of the theory they hold so tenatiously to.

Good! We'll see who can fill their young impressionable minds with the most of our stuff.

Redshift and expanding space theory implies a beginning of the existence of space. On the other hand, a static unbounded space theory implicates no beginning of space. Imo, the space of the universe is static, unbounded and has eternally existed as such. Into it has been introduced everything else which exists in the universe by one means or another. I believe Jehovah god has been eternally and forever creating, destroying, recreating and managing his universe to suit his purposes and desires.

1. All who believe the BB theory believe in the ability of space to expand. Back in the 1980s or so, Rich Gore of National Geographic put it that a particle of space billions of times smaller than the proton of an atom began expanding and has expanded into becoming what we call the universe, including everything that exists. I believe that is essentially what most BBer scientists believe. I don't buy it. Imo, intelligent design creation as per the Bible makes more sense. 2. Redshift theory has it's problems. Not all buy it either. Obstruction of light rays caused by particles, et al, between earth and distant galaxies could be another explanation for redshift. I believe that tired light is implicated in this. Stuff in the horizon makes the red sunset. Imo, there's enough of something between us and distant galaxies to obstruct the path of light rays so as to cause redshift. Redshift advocates say no, but then science has been proven wrong on other stuff and this may be another matter that they will find to be in error also. I'm not qualified to address this scientifically, for sure. I'm just speaking from a logical viewpoint here.

For anything to grow larger, more space is required. Space is allegedly expanding for this to happen. I have yet to have anyone show any property of space which makes it capable of expansion. They say the property of space capable of expansion is geometrics, but until something is introduced into space, there's nothing to measure, so the geometrics is relative to things existing in space and not space itself, as I see it.

But the plum cake (yum) obviously has space outside of itself to expand into. BBers say that's not the case with the alleged big bang and the expanding space of the universe.

By definition, the universe being all that exists, I would include existing space, whether finite or infinite, as inclusive in what the universe consists of. If therefore, as I believe to be the case, space would be unbounded and infinite. Consequently, the universe which has unbounded space is unbounded and infinite. The only dimensions and measurements possible in the universe would be things which exist in the unbounded space of the universe.

Thanks Phi.

Hi Sayonara. I heard you were on a trip and don't know if you're back yet. If you are back, my question is whether it's ok to advance this thread by posting on it or should one search for a similar one if interested in the topic? (Maybe Phi can answer this if Sayonara is not back.) Thanks.

Thanks BenSon. I see what you mean.

I read that. Would you mind explaining to me, the layman, why it isn't?

I believe the Atmos Clock is a perpetual motion machine, is it not? I sold a vintage Atmos Clock a year or so ago for $350 on Ebay. I see the new ones run from $2900 to around $57,000.