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  1. Ok I apologize and withdrawal my comment. Perhaps she is. I guess we can just each have our own truth here despite mounds of opinion polls proving me right and mounds of votes proving you right. Typical political discussion on the internet no one concedes anything it might show weakness.
  2. My original claim. In what way have I moved anything? Was Karl Rove guilty of anything in the Bush email scandal?
  3. Well some certainly give us more information. Is it really so hard for you to understand that people often vote for candidates they see as flawed simply because they see the other option as even worse. Maybe thats the problem. You need to talk to some RL people about this. Poltics on MB's tend to be warped from the people on the street in my experience. Less defensive and less rigid. Well those were servers set up by organizations so private yes but private and personal no. But close enough for whataboutism. https://www.snopes.com/g-w-bush-lost-22-million-e-mails/ I call them all guilty. How about you? Because in both cases people request information and don't get it. In HRC's case her lawyers decided what we did and did not get to see. Plus there is still more information that hasn't been handed out yet. They shouldn't have to wait years. In the Bush case there was a backup found. I think its being restored and sorted through. But yet again they shouldn't have to wait years. I will try to find what specific rule was broken. And a government employee is supposed to work out what is what not personal lawers.
  4. Not really. Ask them again and I will try to pick them up. I honestly try to answer to every point but sometimes multiple posters make the same (in my mind) point. You are not going to always get your very own customized response. I also try a little harder for those that try to answer to all my points. You don't do that. That dosent show us why they cast those votes. I am only telling you what people tell me. Many feel like they didn't have much choice. Just democrats this time during the primary. The first paragraph below is HRC and the second is Bernie. http://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/190787/clinton-image-among-democrats-new-low.aspx What the hay lets see what the republicans thought about Trump. I see unpopular candidates all the way around. Well except for Bernie and his score isnt exactly stellar. Yep thats what I hear. Why did you vote for Trump? So Clinton would not get in. Why did you vote for Clinton? So Trump would not get in. You never hear these things? Somehow I think I will not be criticized for "everything Trump must be referenced in a negative light." BTW I don't agree with the use of private emails in any way. But putting them on your own server gives so much more control over what is wanted to be kept secret. You may not agree with why these watch dog groups want this information but it shouldn't be up to me, you or HRC to decide. Trump is getting the same treatment from liberal watch dogs. Although thess groups tend to be radical they do perform a valuable service. If you (as a public servant) do not want anything embarrassing to pop up don't do/write anything embarrassing. Judicial Watch and others have been waiting two years and more for documents that should have been provided in months. https://m.washingtontimes.com/
  5. From your link http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/26/politics/white-house-private-email-kushner-trump-bannon-priebus/index.html Ok color me pleasantly surprised. I am sure now and feel even better about my vote tomorrow.
  6. http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/346339-gop-senator-to-trump-we-must-call-evil-by-its-name http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/03/politics/bob-corker-criticizes-trump-justice-department/index.html http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/364246-donors-furious-over-rncs-support-for-roy-moore-report
  7. I agree some of the accusations against her have just been made up out of thin air but others have not. Nobody is conning me. You stated very well what I am trying to illustrate. Both parties IMO are very corrupt at this point in time. Some days I think they always have been. How do we change this? No I'm pretty sure there are still active FoIA lawsuits out there and even if they are not I do know at least one group had to resubmit because the information they wanted was hidden on a private server. Because of the facts of the case and the timing of the allegations. Pleasantly surprise me and lay out a case for his guilt. It looks like the voters of Alabama will not turn a blind eye tomorrow. Moore has lost his comfortable lead and is now trailing by ten points in the latest polling. I hope it holds. Seriously Phi I think he probably is guilty but I also examine myself and find that some of the reason I feel that way is because I don't trust the uber wealthy. So please tell me why you are so sure Moore is guilty.
  8. Well we can add democrat Alcee Hastings to the list of the accused. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a2b39d2e4b073789f6a01bc
  9. I think its more the fact we that we do not demand decorum, honesty and civility from our politicians. If we think they can get the job done we hardly even ask for a shred of dignity from them. Trump is the prime example on the right. But I don't have to look to hard to find them on the left as well. Remember Anthony Weiner seven time democratic senator? He got caught sending women unwanted sexual pictures. He apologized and turned around and raised over 5 million dollars to run for mayor of New York. Unsurprisingly he got caught again before he had a chance to be elected. Shame on those who supported him. IMO we should voluntarily declare those who commit crimes unfit for public office.
  10. IMO guilty. HRC took the unprecedented step of setting up her own private server. This gave her a lot of control over her emails. A nice end run around the Freedom of Information Act. Once again IMO guilty. But I am far less sure in this case however it is enough that I won't vote for him. And time and time again documents come up lost or misplaced. Time and time again both her and Bill first deny everything and then as evidence comes out explain it away. Yes I do have that right under FOIA. I have the right for someone other than the politician to go through and decide what is revelant and what is not. http://news.gallup.com/poll/212705/hillary-clinton-unique-no-post-election-image-gain.aspx Perhaps we just have a different definition of popular. The courts owe them that not me. I not only have the right I have the responsibility to judge those who run for public office. It wasn't that long ago you implied Reagan had some guilt in the Iran-Contra affair. What about his rights? You have also been all over Moore et al. You didn't flip off anyones rights and neither did I.
  11. Of course not! Oddly enough however ignoring questions is. Sounds more like aptitude tests to me. IQ tests are notoriously unreliable. But aptitude tests are considered good tools for assessing level of education. They can be very specific. For example electricians take them to make sure they are keeping up with changes in their code. Or they can be very general. Employers often use these to screen candidates for a job. But you can use them to help keep your "brain fit." Here is a link to some free ones. Good luck! https://www.wikijob.co.uk/content/aptitude-tests/test-types/aptitude-tests
  12. Thank you for your honesty. I think that even in the primary she wasn't many democrats first choice but they thought she was more electable than Bernie Sanders. Plus the novelty of electing the first female POTUS. Your comments are very representative of what I hear from others. I didn't vote for him but I really had no idea how dangerous he would be. I also underestimated the stupidity of the GOP. I didn't think they would work with him like they have. I did watch an episode of the apprentice once so I knew he was a buffon but thats about it. Yes I agree wholeheartedly. If you know much at all about new testament Christianity its kind of obvious that many on the religious right are hypocrites. But wow have they doubled down with Trump. I hope you are right but I have thought the same thing about the Clintons many many times. These things go all the way back to the late 1970's at least. Many Clinton associates have been convicted over the years. If you are interested look up whitewater (15 convictions). Jim and Susan McDougal actually did time. Jim died of a heart attack in Fort Worth Penitentiary. Also look up Clinton cattle futures. Robert Bone was suspended three years and Refco was issued the largest fine to that date by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. You are correct l do not like it. Do you believe O.J. Simpson is innocent of murder? I don't. Ok I should have said physical evidence. I meant innocent of what has been alleged.
  13. So in three days time I have a decision to make. Roy Moore (R) or Doug Jones (D) for Alabama Senate seat. Due to the allegations against RM it is an easy decision (for me) to make. DJ will get my vote. Although there is no evidence against him and these 8 or 9 ladies have been sitting on this for a long time. I will in no way risk casting my vote for a predator. Is this fair to RM? Well if he is innocent (probably never know for sure) it isn't fair at all and that bothers me not in the least. Due to his aspirations he should expect this treatment and accept it gracefully. He should have stepped down. So my question for those who voted for Hillary Rodham Clinton is why didn't you feel the same way? Do you really believe she is innocent of all charges? I don't. Even if you think she is innocent on all counts how could you not take into account the large portion of U.S. citizens who think she is a crook and run another candidate? Please do not let this devolve into a debate over HRC's guilt or innocence. If you want to do that one of us can open a thread. Please just answer honestly and if enough people genuinely think she is innocent I will probably open that thread. This harks back to the title (well half of it anyway) of the thread. Why doesn't truth matter? See when I talk to people in real life most of the time they agree that Trump or Clinton was a horrible choice. Then they justify their choice. I would like us to get where we just don't tolerate certain actions from our candidates. Cross this line and you are done. We can perhaps debate where the line should be but we need to have one. If we do this I think we will see the middle ground is not so hard to find after all.
  14. True. Its hard (but not impossible) to find a POTUS without scandal in recent memory. Obama seems to stand alone. Thank you. Seems we found some middle ground after all . It only took 13 pages, not bad. Looking back at Iran-Contra years after the events took place is part of what made me realize what a partisan hack I had become and how I was letting my emotions make my decisions. It is my opinion that we need to hold our elected officials to the highest standards and when they cross a line, integrity wise, just dont vote for them ever again. I am ok with our lines being in different places but not ok with people not having any line at all. Also not directed at you.
  15. Who said? Not me although I am sure there have been many studies. Ignored my question? I seem to get a lot of that for some reason. Maybe its me. Tell you what Chriss I will watch at least some of your video if you will descibe to me how you "evaluate each intelligence on how it really is" in five sentences or less.
  16. Never heard of Trent Franks? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-happens-now-that-trent-franks-has-resigned/
  17. Per my example. Here is a little more. While Reagan's plan did lower taxes on the rich overall it also expanded the personal exemption and the earned income tax credit. This was a big help to the middle class. Reagan also eliminated corporate tax breaks and raised the tax on capital gains. Do you see any of this in Trump's proposal? I don't. I see Trump lowering the the top tax bracket so thats similar to Reagan but it ends there. I see a repeal on the estate tax and I see a new loophole created by reducing the rate on pass-through entities, allowing law firms and hedge fund managers to avoid higher tax rates. I also see that the Tax Policy Center estimates that the top 1% will enjoy 80% of the benefits from Trump’s plan and that a third of all middle-class taxpayers will be paying more in taxes by 2027. Why compare one past administration to another past administration? Why not compare to the current one? No I am pointing out that they are different than they were in 1980. Reagan had plans to tear down a wall. Trump has plans to build one. Reagan presided over the end of a cold war. Trump seems dead set on starting a hot one. No I have never claimed that. I did claim it would be impossible to defend such an absurd position. Thats not true either. I have already told you why I referenced it and it had nothing to do with claiming "Reagan was successful, to levels greater than anyone since"
  18. Very true. Also its demeaning to assign aptitude based on a cursory examination of a persons actions. This is one of the worst traits a teacher can have and will lead to some children missing opportunities. It is hard for a teacher to remain objective at all times but those that do are an invaluable asset to our society. Can you tell me how you do this? Please. And please make it brief.
  19. I agree with this. Plus it would be a nightmare to enforce. So what is the punishment if I put my comma in the wrong place? Maybe find us a dunce avatar and make the offending party wear it for a week.
  20. Then why did you ask for "papers and journal articles"? Oh I have had decades but I chose to persue other things. The difference between that and the question you asked is vast. Yes they have the wiki page has an outstanding overview of those investigations and lots of references to scholarly articles some of which are peer reviewed. Then why did you ask for "papers and journal articles"? Oh I have had decades but I chose to persue other things. The difference between that and the question you asked is vast. Yes they have the wiki page has an outstanding overview of those investigations and lots of references to scholarly articles some of which are peer reviewed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis Go read and come back and tell us what you think. Please. No one is going to do it for you.
  21. No his and our and the DNC's actions speak louder than the words. Its never a bad time to do the right thing. Well I hope so it resonates highly with me and I doubt I am alone in this. However me and many others see the DNC as corrupt and it will take a lot more than this to change that perception. Also the DNC did drag their feet early on and it does look as if their decisions were guided more by public opinion and less by internal virtue. Forcing these resignations is a good first step. But it will take many of these steps for me to see them as reformed. BTW the GOP needs to do the same thing.
  22. I said earlier I wouldn't and provided some reasons as to why I wouldn't. I haven't changed my mind. I am going to try to answer to some of Ten oz's points and then try to head back to the original topic of this thread. Sorry bout the late reply. Ok but they are not acting like Reagan in any way with the exception of McCain perhaps. For example the republican tax plan of today looks nothing like the one passed in 1986. Reagan introduced the idea in 1984 and worked closely with House Speaker Tip O’Neill, a Democrat, to iron out specific legislation that both sides could support. Ten months later, the Treasury Department unveiled its recommendations in a 262-page document. Over the course of the next two years there were extensive hearings and debate on the House and Senate floor. The republicans of today have instead crafted their bill in private and obviously plan to pass it with no bipartisan support at all. According to your first chart debt as a percentage of GDP did recover under Clinton. So what? Reagan put us on this path and Clinton took us off and then Reagan put us back on? The chart plainly shows the most recent upswing starting under Bush II and continuing under Obama. I really don't understand the need to make it any more complicated than that. Both charts show those trends starting in 1973. That would be Nixon not Reagan. I really don't see a lot of value in continuing down this road. Here in a while (I hope) I will post a question more revelant to your OP.
  23. Thats my fault. I took this to mean Ten oz has offered up the R vs O comparison. My original comment about Reagan was when he was accused of high unemployment. The statement wasn't factually false but it did leave out some important detail. That was my only purpose. It was pretty bad I can still remember the gas lines. I posted the chart to show that Obama's debt wasn't Reagan's fault. In fact a lot of it was Bush ll. I thought that was obvious from the chart. I also agreed with you Obama was better than Reagan on debt that was the you win part. The only place we really disagree is where you try to pin problems on nearly 30 year old policy. For me it is almost as ridiculous as blaming the democrats for civil war era policy. The republican party is very different from what it was 10 years ago even more so 30. You don't think Reagan inherited a mess? BTW the two quotes about Reagan and Clinton doing better were blanket quotes about the economy. I was more interested in why that is. This is all I found. https://www.cato.org/blog/worlds-most-least-miserable-countries-2016
  24. I have no problem with how you stated it I might even agree depending on how you define "the right." I hope its not liars. Well it was a gentle berating. I agree and I think its well nigh impossible to paint a very clear picture at all. If this is about Obama vs Reagan I can cite you any number of articles. Just let me know which side to support. I didn't choose a metric so you chose one for me. Ok you win. I said before high inflation and high unemployment (more on the misery index soon) is that not a big enough mess? What if we throw in an oil crisis and a cold war? I have not said that Obama had it worse than Reagan. Here is you a nice middle of the road article that agrees with you on that one point. But it also makes my point as well. There is not much to be gained comparing Obama and Reagan. They both inherited messes and they both did their part to work them out. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/09/18/the-obama-economy-vs-the-reagan-economy-its-literally-no-contest/ I still haven't looked into your claim that Vietnam has a lower misery index than the U.S. but I will. I did find some evidence that it is a usefull number. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_index_(economics) The page had a criticism as well. My criticism of the criticism is surveys are not really reliable. I wholeheartedly agree and now for the hard part. How do we change it? I have seen you say that, politically most of us are not very far apart. I think I am a moderate conservative (don't call me Republican) and I think you are a moderate liberal. But when you post on the political forum I almost always agree. So how to get where we all agree on the common sense things and argue about policy. I wish I knew but here is one suggestion. Conservatives quit parading RR around like he invented the dollar bill and liberals quit blaming him for everything from the debt to the common cold. The man is dead it is time to let him rest. Its all very counterproductive.
  25. That doesn't answer my question. So you can see the sun with all the suns rays absorbed? Yes or no?
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