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Not so confident in the cold/harden envelope concept. Couldn't find support in literature and infective expsure is likely an indoor phenomenon where indoor temperature would be controlled. https://journals.asm.org/doi/full/10.1128/aem.00551-18 above article includes this graph - temperature does impact infectivity(a flu virus surrogate) esp. in mod to higher RH. Recall it is commonly assumed folks are exposed to lower hummidities in indoor auir in winter. t

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/recall/byheart-baby-formula-recalled-state-outbreak-infant-botulism-rcna242783 Recall of baby formula reportedly contaminated with botulinum toxin. Honey has been another source of the issue. . https://www.nature.com/articles/7211651

one factor is the ageing population https://www.cancercenter.com/community/blog/2023/06/cancer-risk-by-age

He's killing no descendants. Please - as scientists let's proceed by the risk assessment process not sensational hyperbole.

Use what you want. - there's nothing wrong with plastic Live by your own ethics - not online moralists

Contamination is not typically cause for household product recall as the product pH, Aw, salt, surfactant levels etc. limit contamination to low risk bugs. Manuf hygiene is only roughly controlled due to volumes and preservatives are weak to control sensitization. Product may/prob not be held for micro results as volumes can exceed reasonable warehouse control. Problems are uncommon hopefully low-risk and limited so addressed by unannounced market recovery from retail to minimize customer of experience odor, appearance and performance issues. None want monetary impact/bad press/regulatory exposure of public recall so risk assessment is established in advance to avoid the passion of the moment. Not to dwell too much but it is passionate - manufacturing has stopped, need to find space for product on hold and recovered, competitors take store shelves, organizations blame one another, etc. Woolite is made by Reckitt (of Lysol, Dettol) whose health and reputational risk assessments are well developed. I'm not familair with their assessment but have known their folks and certainly respect their decision.

Woolite is used for hand washing of "delicate" garments. cutaneous infection from detergent - but it is pseudomallei again https://www.academia.edu/download/41703997/360.pdf

Sure - as noted, the bug is in soil as well. The ;point was the dynamic of the microbe's pathogenicity and the level of immunocompromise of the person(s) exposed. another example - different bug, diff route of exposure and diff vulnerability of the exposed https://academic.oup.com/jid/article-abstract/158/3/655/2190564 consider that ~20% and prob more of the population is in some state of immunocompromise https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0168160596009968 Woolite prob is not an unique phenomenon - just one that involved a bug/bug type of some degree of risk due to it's +/- neutral pH. Other more mainstream concentrated liquid laundry detergents pH ~9 suffer contamination by alkalophilic xerophilic bacteria. The latter does not appear in the literature as such. Here's an example from the soap industry https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ics.12401

Different pseudomonad and aerosol exposure https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/aromatherapy-spray-killed-two-people-multistate-outbreak-also-killed-p-rcna62100

Ingredients list benzo and methyl isothiazolinones. Maybe left out but more likely contaminated water system

fyi https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2025/Woolite-Delicates-Detergent-Recalled-by-Reckitt-Due-to-Risk-of-Exposure-to-Bacteria-Sold-Exclusively-on-Amazon-com Woolite contamination. Some may household cleaner contamination from a few years back - https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/health/a42805515/fabuloso-cleaner-recall-full-list/

Please note temperature control important to flu vaccine stability. https://www.naccho.org/uploads/downloadable-resources/storage-of-influenza-vaccine-MDH-3.pdf

youtube? I'll add that vaccines have storage and handling requirements that certainly wont served well by the general public.

Please read the citations offered. The article reported the flora recovered from keyboards. Potential pathogens cultured from more than 50% of the computers included coagulase-negative staphylococci (100% of keyboards), diphtheroids (80%), Micrococcus species (72%), and Bacillus species (64%). Other pathogens cultured included ORSA (4% of keyboards), OSSA (4%), vancomycin-susceptible Enterococcus species (12%), and nonfermentative gram-negative rods (36%)

Wish folks would offer some citations for their assertions https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/infection-control-and-hospital-epidemiology/article/abs/bacterial-contamination-of-keyboards-efficacy-and-functional-impact-of-disinfectants/E9D4608D350EDD23A16392434874445B

Above tells you nothing of mode of action - merely its expression. Curious - is this in defense of an advanced degree?

Continuation of current discussion https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-funded-scientist-among-three-chinese-researchers-who-fell-ill-amid-early-covid-19-outbreak-3f919567 Info largely based largely based personnel communications - leaked info. Release/declassifying of investigation will help understand issue and considerations of FBI and DOE - if it is released. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/biden-missed-deadline-declassifying-intel-origins-covid-19

Wuhan lab scientists were the first to contract COVID-19: report https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/ijsem/10.1099/ijs.0.65021-0 https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/wuhan-lab-scientists-were-the-first-to-contract-covid-19-report/ar-AA1cvt1a vs. 2021 claim it was a wet market vendor and a WHO claim it was an accountant https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/19/first-covid-patient-in-wuhan-was-at-animal-market-study-finds

Think a bit oversold at this point. "International group" may not be so correct. French lab examination of sequences posted to a public genomic database by Chinese researchers and subsequently removed. Seems others could reproduce findings but see nothing in literature yet. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-evidence-supports-animal-origin-of-covid-virus-through-raccoon-dogs WHO asked for the data, not aware it's been released/ https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/03/17/1164226694/who-calls-on-china-to-share-data-on-raccoon-dog-link-to-pandemic-heres-what-we-k But there is relevant previous (to above) discussion relevant to racoon dog association. https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abm4454

China offers a new theory and vector for wet market source - "racoon dog' https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/new-covid-origins-data-suggests-pandemic-linked-animals-97936471

Fauci said Saturday that a coronavirus lab leak could still be considered a "natural occurrence" if the definition of lab leak meant that someone was infected in the wild and went "into a lab," was studied in a lab, and then "came out of the lab." and "The other possibility is someone takes a virus from the environment that doesn't actually spread very well in humans, and manipulates it a bit, and accidentally it escapes or accidentally infects someone and then you get an outbreak, https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/dr-fauci-claims-a-coronavirus-lab-leak-could-still-be-considered-a-natural-occurrence/ar-AA18wSQD

To CharonY's point, to the possibility of lab worker infection , esp. in context of alleged inadequate controls https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/u-s-intel-report-identified-3-wuhan-lab-researchers-who-n1268327

declassification will help us understand FBI/DoE thinking https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/05/26/senate-unanimously-passes-hawley-bill-declassifying-intel-on-wuhan-lab/?sh=4e15e4f26844

So what? Not aware the virus was not found in the wet market. Again FBI and DoE both cite the lab as the probably source.

Both FBI and DoE reviews offered as probable the "lab leak" source based on their review. Please also recall Wuhan work was reportedly conducted in a BSL-2 lab - the limited contamination control standards used typically in micro 101 teaching labs.