PhilGeis

Think it best it best if this discussion be closed as it has no "point". I'm off to post a muffin recipe.

I had no point. Merely providing information unknown to many. And yes it was early in the organized vaccination of populations with manufactured vaccine.

Follow up Clorox Agrees to Pay $14.15 Million Civil Penalty for Failure to Immediately Report Bacterial Hazard with Pine-Sol Scented Multi-Surface Cleaning Products https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/2026/Clorox-Agrees-to-Pay-14-15-Million-Civil-Penalty-for-Failure-to-Immediately-Report-Bacterial-Hazard-with-Pine-Sol-Scented-Multi-Surface-Cleaning-Products

The (very) older folks may remember initial polio vaccination in US - 1st the injected Salk and the later, sugar-cubed Sabin. Neither went without issue. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1383764/pdf/0156.pdf

Not so confident in the cold/harden envelope concept. Couldn't find support in literature and infective expsure is likely an indoor phenomenon where indoor temperature would be controlled. https://journals.asm.org/doi/full/10.1128/aem.00551-18 above article includes this graph - temperature does impact infectivity(a flu virus surrogate) esp. in mod to higher RH. Recall it is commonly assumed folks are exposed to lower hummidities in indoor auir in winter. t

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/recall/byheart-baby-formula-recalled-state-outbreak-infant-botulism-rcna242783 Recall of baby formula reportedly contaminated with botulinum toxin. Honey has been another source of the issue. . https://www.nature.com/articles/7211651

one factor is the ageing population https://www.cancercenter.com/community/blog/2023/06/cancer-risk-by-age

He's killing no descendants. Please - as scientists let's proceed by the risk assessment process not sensational hyperbole.

Use what you want. - there's nothing wrong with plastic Live by your own ethics - not online moralists

Contamination is not typically cause for household product recall as the product pH, Aw, salt, surfactant levels etc. limit contamination to low risk bugs. Manuf hygiene is only roughly controlled due to volumes and preservatives are weak to control sensitization. Product may/prob not be held for micro results as volumes can exceed reasonable warehouse control. Problems are uncommon hopefully low-risk and limited so addressed by unannounced market recovery from retail to minimize customer of experience odor, appearance and performance issues. None want monetary impact/bad press/regulatory exposure of public recall so risk assessment is established in advance to avoid the passion of the moment. Not to dwell too much but it is passionate - manufacturing has stopped, need to find space for product on hold and recovered, competitors take store shelves, organizations blame one another, etc. Woolite is made by Reckitt (of Lysol, Dettol) whose health and reputational risk assessments are well developed. I'm not familair with their assessment but have known their folks and certainly respect their decision.

Woolite is used for hand washing of "delicate" garments. cutaneous infection from detergent - but it is pseudomallei again https://www.academia.edu/download/41703997/360.pdf

Sure - as noted, the bug is in soil as well. The ;point was the dynamic of the microbe's pathogenicity and the level of immunocompromise of the person(s) exposed. another example - different bug, diff route of exposure and diff vulnerability of the exposed https://academic.oup.com/jid/article-abstract/158/3/655/2190564 consider that ~20% and prob more of the population is in some state of immunocompromise https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0168160596009968 Woolite prob is not an unique phenomenon - just one that involved a bug/bug type of some degree of risk due to it's +/- neutral pH. Other more mainstream concentrated liquid laundry detergents pH ~9 suffer contamination by alkalophilic xerophilic bacteria. The latter does not appear in the literature as such. Here's an example from the soap industry https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ics.12401

Different pseudomonad and aerosol exposure https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/aromatherapy-spray-killed-two-people-multistate-outbreak-also-killed-p-rcna62100

Ingredients list benzo and methyl isothiazolinones. Maybe left out but more likely contaminated water system

fyi https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2025/Woolite-Delicates-Detergent-Recalled-by-Reckitt-Due-to-Risk-of-Exposure-to-Bacteria-Sold-Exclusively-on-Amazon-com Woolite contamination. Some may household cleaner contamination from a few years back - https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/health/a42805515/fabuloso-cleaner-recall-full-list/