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#1 ChrisTucker

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Posted 1 January 2011 - 11:21 PM


Sorry for the double post, didnt know which section to post in.



Hello, First i would like to point out i am 16 years of age, with many different ideas... and a very large mental capacity.


First i would like to start off with what TRON is... based on the NEWER movie if some do not know.

Here is the Trailer to the newer movie http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Alright now onto the more advanced stuff.

In the movie they used a lazer to blast the human into "the GRID" as it would be called, but is more into the terms of a type of CyberSpace

Now here is where i got to thinking.


it has already been confirmed that scientists are working on things like molecular Transportation and stuff like that, How this is done is beyond me i still have some research to do, but this is the idea.

When they test this they usualy use an un-animated object. and transport it from Point A to point B, which isnt very far away... but

WHAT IF, we found the link to cyberspace, considering now-days technology is can be accessed to wireless connections, and would not need to be next to the grid

So here is the idea, would transporting a human from Here, to CyberSpace be possible?

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Posted 2 January 2011 - 09:14 PM

Like, take a human, deconstruct them down to the smallest particle, and then recreate them in a digitized version in a world controlled by electrical pulses?
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Posted 2 January 2011 - 09:28 PM

It would be far more likely to down load a humans memories and personality into a computer and for that person to be able to continue his or her existence inside the computer as part of some sort of virtual reality. I see no reason to transport the real physical person into the computer, where would all the mass of the human go?
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Posted 2 January 2011 - 09:35 PM

It doesn't really make sense; cyberspace isn't really a place where you can go.
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Posted 2 January 2011 - 09:50 PM

It doesn't really make sense; cyberspace isn't really a place where you can go.


Yeah. That's precisely it.
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Posted 2 January 2011 - 09:54 PM

It doesn't really make sense; cyberspace isn't really a place where you can go.


We're all in cyberspace right now having a conversation.
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Posted 4 January 2011 - 12:10 AM

it has already been confirmed that scientists are working on things like molecular Transportation and stuff like that, How this is done is beyond me i still have some research to do, but this is the idea.

When they test this they usualy use an un-animated object. and transport it from Point A to point B, which isnt very far away... but

WHAT IF, we found the link to cyberspace, considering now-days technology is can be accessed to wireless connections, and would not need to be next to the grid

So here is the idea, would transporting a human from Here, to CyberSpace be possible?[/size]



At present I do believe the closest concept to teleportation is developed on entanglement and involves the teleportation of a photon!

There should be successful advances in computer sciences where interfaces directly to the brain will allow mental spacialization of a virtual world within my life time; I hope ...

Taking the two concepts I personally don't see why, if given the proper equipment, a human body couldn't be reduced to information and allowed to play out in a virtual environment. If all the atoms in a human body were accurately representable on a computing device and the device allowed for a time evolved simulation then I am of the opinion that experiences may exist for the individual. If the human were put back together from the information and with the changes affected by any experiences they would recall their time in the machine. This of course is of some debate as a good number of persons on the planet believe that we have souls and if this is the case machines are most likely outside of such a realm. I guess this also brings into question whether or not a machine can properly simulate intelligence which is another topic of argument.

I like to keep an open mind about these things it's how goals are set and progress made. Even if it isn't possible at least you learned something in finding out how it isn't so ....

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Posted 4 January 2011 - 12:46 AM

Cyborg evolution is very interesting because it involves the development of hybridizations and connectivities between embodied "flesh and blood" humans and their machine technologies. I haven't seen Tron yet, but I have been using my friend's mobile phone with web-browser and I've noticed that in just a few days, I adjusted my memory to rely more heavily on the internet. This may seem insignificant but it is effectively shifting brain-memory to electronic memory. My brain is liberated by relying on portable electronic storage. It's getting ever closer to direct brain-implants. The question is whether cyberspace and virtual-realties will host cultural developments that foster sustainable changes in non-virtual culture and economics. I hope so because this economy is stagnating in its own status-quo-ism.
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Posted 4 January 2011 - 05:59 AM

Well i was reading up on BCI (Brain Computer Interface) and if someone just worked on these some more, a virtual world could easily be created in my opinion, but translating the human body into data.. that would be unreal.

After thinking about how crazy this idea was i was looking at other possible outcomes, such as mayb a chair with some sort of electrical device that monitors brain-waves, sends them to the computer-device which then translates it and sends it to the server, Creating a Single player game like this should be easier, but its converting the brain-waves into data and sending them through cyberspace to the other players so they can see each other that would be unreal, but we will probably see it within the next 30-40 years.

I honestly think unrealistic movies like tron have inspired new creations
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Posted 5 January 2011 - 09:15 AM

What you are talking about is, effectively, a concept of 'posthumanism', see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posthuman (particularly the section on Posthuman in Transhumanism).

There is nothing magical or crancky about these positions, it is just how the world is inevitably (and currently) evolving. We are seeing the first steps now, leading to human enhancement, and eventually to indefinite lifespans, teleportation and other currently science-fiction ideas.
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Posted 5 January 2011 - 10:01 AM

Transportation may be possible, but from a purely physics point of view,transportation to cyberspace isnt an option. Cyberspace is purely virtual. it has no physical component. From the basic laws of matter, matter cannot be created of destroyed. So in essence, the idea of teleporting to cyberspace is in essence the same as disappearing from existence.

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Posted 7 January 2011 - 02:00 AM

Teleportation is not the problem to be solved. The direction I think/hope we will take, when brain/computer interfaces become better and better, we will become less dependent on our bodies. Our brains do a great job of learning what incoming patterns are. Those patterns don't need to come from our body. A "visual" signal, a "touch" signal, a "sound" signal is just nerve pulses that make there way throughout our brains.

Fast forward through some crazy brain-computer interface development. Consider a living physical brain, kept bathed in a flow of blood or something functionally equivalent to deliver oxygen/glucose/proteins and remove waste/CO2 but otherwise a "brain in a jar". It is connected to an array of input/output gear into 1) a prosthetic body, or 2) a simulated virtual experience that only exists digitally. Would the brain know the difference?

How much of the physical brain can be removed and replaced with more or less "normal" computational/deterministic hardware?

Would we want to be living "in" cyberspace? Immortality might involve an endless sea of user aware advertisements. lol.
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Posted 7 January 2011 - 02:20 AM

Teleportation is not the problem to be solved. The direction I think/hope we will take, when brain/computer interfaces become better and better, we will become less dependent on our bodies. Our brains do a great job of learning what incoming patterns are. Those patterns don't need to come from our body. A "visual" signal, a "touch" signal, a "sound" signal is just nerve pulses that make there way throughout our brains.

Fast forward through some crazy brain-computer interface development. Consider a living physical brain, kept bathed in a flow of blood or something functionally equivalent to deliver oxygen/glucose/proteins and remove waste/CO2 but otherwise a "brain in a jar". It is connected to an array of input/output gear into 1) a prosthetic body, or 2) a simulated virtual experience that only exists digitally. Would the brain know the difference?

How much of the physical brain can be removed and replaced with more or less "normal" computational/deterministic hardware?

Would we want to be living "in" cyberspace? Immortality might involve an endless sea of user aware advertisements. lol.



I don't think the brain would know the difference but the living nightmare of "user aware advertisements" would be par for the course, lol. Quite possibly the brain would be center of a fantasy landscape of anything you could imagine, live out any existence just like it was reality. I could be Captain of the Star Ship Enterprise and you could populate your universe with imaginary people who would seem real or maybe other people might want to populate your imaginary cyberscape much like TV shows have fans. So if your cyberscape is most popular you could get revenues from users wanting to live in your universe and that would at least imply advertisements of some sort :angry: Damn commercials ruin everything :rolleyes:

Of course there is no chance such technology would be used for virtual porn :P

Edited by Moontanman, 7 January 2011 - 02:22 AM.

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Posted 7 January 2011 - 06:42 AM

Lol. Well, all joking aside. Porn and advertisements have driven the explosion of internet technology. So its likely that the pursuit of better targeted ads and ever more realistic virtual porn will lead enough investors to invest in enough cool new tech.

And slightly more seriously, Imagine being free of at least some constraints of reality. Imagine natively "seeing" 4+ dimensional space? It blows my future augmented cyberized brain!

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Posted 7 January 2011 - 09:48 AM

Porn - the force which is driving the human progress! :lol:
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Posted 20 January 2011 - 02:16 PM

lol, I think I know how it is possible,

If one human can get his mind into Subconscious State !

The inner brain will take any input without assertion,

that's when we can use a pulse generator connected to the brain,

the pulse generator will be used to generate scenes, sounds, motion, and feelings

which will be like a dream, but more powerful !

which will seem like a normal life ...

Crazy, isn't it .. well, that's my guess,

if it becomes real, you can have just-like-real imaginary sex .. without using your body at all !

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 12:04 AM

I dont think the brain needs to be dreaming/unconscious for properly formed input to be usable. That is all the brain does all day is use input that organs send to it as well as its own feedback. But in a dream state, a lot of brain components that would normally (in a waking state) try to rectify nonsense would be turned off, (thus the ability to have awesome nonsensical dreams) and maybe malformed/noisy/way-off input could be perceived more easily. even if its bonkers input.
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 08:11 AM

I dont think the brain needs to be dreaming/unconscious for properly formed input to be usable. That is all the brain does all day is use input that organs send to it as well as its own feedback. But in a dream state, a lot of brain components that would normally (in a waking state) try to rectify nonsense would be turned off, (thus the ability to have awesome nonsensical dreams) and maybe malformed/noisy/way-off input could be perceived more easily. even if its bonkers input.


I don't really know but, it's said that when one sleeps his soul leaves the body,
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 02:48 PM

I don't really know but, it's said that when one sleeps his soul leaves the body,


I had that dream once my soul left my body and I flew to the moon like Peter Panning :)

This ties in well with the other thread that was posted a week ago about dying in dreams. If you were to die in this machine would you die as well or maybe would the machine kill you intentionally just to give a more real experience? If it is the case of having been dematerialized I would suspect that any number of possibilities was possible and that it would be much like the Matrix .... Else I would suspect that the mind would get upset if the random deaths became too frequent!
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 04:19 PM

I had that dream once my soul left my body and I flew to the moon like Peter Panning :)

This ties in well with the other thread that was posted a week ago about dying in dreams. If you were to die in this machine would you die as well or maybe would the machine kill you intentionally just to give a more real experience? If it is the case of having been dematerialized I would suspect that any number of possibilities was possible and that it would be much like the Matrix .... Else I would suspect that the mind would get upset if the random deaths became too frequent!


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