StringJunky Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 People not being aware of their options isn't what is happening. People willfully elect liars. We just saw the clearest example of it. People in this very forum argued that Trump was a liar and incompetent then went out and voted for him anyway. You cannot tell me they were simply victims of misinformation. They weren't. And it is hardly just those who voted for Trump. The same is true for all the people we see, using this forum as an example, who acknowledge climate change but then still support politicians who don't. It simply isn't true that liars and fakes get elected because people don't know better. People do know better and do it anyway. It is a regular part of life. Only is a perfect world amongst perfect people can we really blame lack of knowledge for people bad choices. It is like when people down play horrors of history by excusing peoples behavior by saying that is just how things were then. People attempt to imply people just didn't know slavery of bad or abusing women was bad. People knew. People voted for him because he was in their team; an ideological ally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 People voted for him because he was in their team; an ideological ally. It's interesting to note that they didn't realise that, if all your ideological allies are liars, you should change your ideology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten oz Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 People voted for him because he was in their team; an ideological ally. Yes and they do so sober and self aware. Not as confused victim of misinformation or lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringJunky Posted July 8, 2017 Author Share Posted July 8, 2017 It's interesting to note that they didn't realise that, if all your ideological allies are liars, you should change your ideology. They must hate the other side more. From their perspective, he is lesser of the other evils. They hate any notion of socialism. You see this absolutism about firearms as well. they won't give an inch because, in their eyes, that starts a snowball. Yes and they do so sober and self aware. Not as confused victim of misinformation or lies. Yes. We've seen it here in otherwise very intelligent people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Yes and they do so sober and self aware. Not as confused victim of misinformation or lies. If the "man in the street" sees Trump and his party as an ally, it's because he has been misinformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringJunky Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 If the "man in the street" sees Trump and his party as an ally, it's because he has been misinformed. I think it's pretty clear, to anyone reading a variety of quotes from him, inconsistency of his actions and failed promises for a while, that the bloke's a pillock. People voted despite those failings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten oz Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 They must hate the other side more. From their perspective, he is lesser of the other evils. They hate any notion of socialism. You see this absolutism about firearms as well. they won't give an inch because, in their eyes, that starts a snowball. Yes. We've seen it here in otherwise very intelligent people. Yep, not everything a person wants and every choice a person makes is reasonable.People often knowingly vote against the greater good if they think doing so may scratch some personal inch they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 ...they think doing so may... The problem is that they are clearly misled into thinking this. Remember Trump saying the Mexicans would pay for the wall? That might have seemed like a great idea from the point of view of many of those who voted for him; but it was a lie. And, in fact, it wasn't a good idea anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten oz Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 The problem is that they are clearly misled into thinking this. Remember Trump saying the Mexicans would pay for the wall? That might have seemed like a great idea from the point of view of many of those who voted for him; but it was a lie. And, in fact, it wasn't a good idea anyway. No one believes the wall will get built. It is and was symbolic. Discussing it provides millions the platform to scratch the itch they have to demagogue immigrants. Trump's wall has already delivered on everything most of his supporters of it wanted. The bullying we see at school of minorities, the increased negative visceral we see posted on social media, Trump great wall has already given millions more than they ever hoped it would. Already been a huge, huge, huge win. I think those of us participating in this side discussion about disinformation and liars need to find a way to circle it back around to taxation. I don't want to hijack the thread. My initial point was that in a democracy where different views are represented within the govt money collect from taxes will inevitably end up going towards things many disapprove of. I don't want one dollar spent on private prisons yet billions are. I don't blame taxation I blame bad politics and bad voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringJunky Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 The problem is that they are clearly misled into thinking this. Remember Trump saying the Mexicans would pay for the wall? That might have seemed like a great idea from the point of view of many of those who voted for him; but it was a lie. And, in fact, it wasn't a good idea anyway. Like all politicians, he was selling a dream. It doesn't matter if it never materialises, what matters is that they are seen to share a common goal with their voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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