H2SO4 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Does anyone know a way i could synthesize some sodium nitrate. I plan to make some nitric acid by reacting sulfuric acid with sodium nitrate and i dont have sodium nitrate. I have tons of reagents. Maybe some reaction with KNO3 or other nitrates? I dont know, but thanks for your responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 if you just want Nitric acid, why not just use the KNO3 in the 1`st place? gardening centers will sell Nitrate of Soda in 2kg boxes for a few quid anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2SO4 Posted March 29, 2005 Author Share Posted March 29, 2005 omg YT2095 your ingenous. I just saw this in a book thats 101 years old (a laboratory chemistry) and saw sodium nitrate as the reactant. Potassium forms compounds with the almost identicle propertys(for example KCl is an salt substitue), i dont see why it wont work. Ill try it and post the results when i get my appuratuses all set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 OY! if you intend to make nitric acid, promise me you won't until you show us your apparatus. nitric anhydride can easily give you respiratory damage that will go away after a few weeks but come back to haunt you in 10-15 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcapr Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 no crap- use Kno3. Also if u do it outside ( which i was planning to do soon) or even better in a fume hood, ull minimized respiratory damage. Oh, an just stay away from it a bit. U can add 2 parts KNO3 to 2 parts H2SO4 and heating (in a florence / boiling flask). Then direct the vapors and condense them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcapr Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 whyd u want nitric acid anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 explosives:\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcapr Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 TNT? Nitro? those are the only explosives i kno u can make with nitric acid. ( i dont make exlosives much) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MulderMan Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 would you be albe to get it red fuming using the aparatus hes got? youd still need some fuming sulph. aswell for nitro/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2SO4 Posted March 29, 2005 Author Share Posted March 29, 2005 i just wanted some to do some expirements. Would adding it to (lets say, for example Mg) give you magnesium nitrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcapr Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Mg + HNO3 --> Mg(NO2)3 + H yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MulderMan Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 yea when a metal reacts with an acid - a salt and hydrogen is produced: magnesium + nitric acid --> magnesium nitrate + hydrogen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MulderMan Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 yea when a metal reacts with an acid - a salt and hydrogen is produced: magnesium + nitric acid --> magnesium nitrate + hydrogen edit: sorry left the thread open and didnt see your post ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcapr Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 im guessing ur refering to mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdurg Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 It might be easier to get magnesium nitrate by putting some magnesium metal into a solution of copper nitrate, let's say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 oy, cheaper that way. nitric isnt fun to produce and it isnt so available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2SO4 Posted March 30, 2005 Author Share Posted March 30, 2005 ya, but i dont have copper nitrate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenSon Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 Do you have any nitrate solutions that Magnesium could displace. ~Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MulderMan Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 do you have a school that lets you "lend" supplies ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2SO4 Posted March 30, 2005 Author Share Posted March 30, 2005 no, i dont have a school that lets me use chemicals. My school doesnt have much anyway. All my nitrates are of the alkali metals, so those wont work, what about ammonium nitrate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 it would work with ammonium nitrate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortuna Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 H2SO4, I suppose that what I do not understand is why you don't just purchase it outright ? I just looked it up, 10 lbs of it costs $35US. What seems to be difficult to obtain anymore is the catalyst, which really gives it that extra-punch. Given your inclination towards these types products, I suggest that you pick up a copy of Davis's book "Chemistry of powder and Explosives" as a reference guide. For manufacture of ammonium nitrate specifically, see Federoff's "Encyclopedia of Explosives and Related Products" (1960) Vol 1, pp 311-380. Of course, Vogel's POC wouldn't be a bad idea either to have on your bookshelf, just for the practical info on just about every process you can imagine. There should also be some methods of extracting it from ammonia fertilizer. Given the solubility data which I just looked up, this shouldn't be all that difficult. Also, you can get a very good grade of HNO3 for $32.95US per liter. I think though the UPS Hazmat fee is about $40 US. If you want to make it, see "Comprehensive Inorganic Chemistry" Vol 2J, C Bailar, pp 375-388 (1975) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 eh. if you purchase HNO3, the government will watch you very closely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2SO4 Posted March 31, 2005 Author Share Posted March 31, 2005 Fortuna, i enjoy making my own chemicals, gives me something to do, and gives you a sense of accomplishment when your done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcapr Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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