jsatan Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 I'm in need for some methanol, I've read that this is in white spirits here in the UK but then I've read that it isn't. I know that there is 5% in mentholated spirits, I'm thinking of distilling this out using a water bath and all the rest of piping etc. Just wondering if there's a better source anywhere? I'm in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raivo Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 Some barbeque starters are methanol. If it smells like fruit, burns with blue flame with no smut then it is almost certainly methanol but it usually contains some water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 yes i have seen some bottle's of liquid used for barbeques which are methanol but i have also seen some bottles of liquid used for barbeques which are purple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted October 23, 2004 Author Share Posted October 23, 2004 The purple stuff is most likly "mentholated spirits". I'll check BandQ tomorrow for the bbq started. As mentholated spirits is only 5-10% methanol I'm not going to get much, but its only about £2.50 for 2li, and the rest can be used for something, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 jsatan if you do go down to B&Q tommoro post here if they do sell methanol there for fire starters if so im going to nip down to my nearest one and buy some, that is the clear one not the purple one i am going on about by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted October 23, 2004 Author Share Posted October 23, 2004 Yeah will do, I know some starter fluid I had before may have been that but must of been mixed with something because it needed a wick to burn, and methanol doesnt. I'll let you know as soon as I do. And another sad thing is that labpack shop sells it for £6.50 2li, grrrrr its like putting a kid in a sweet shop and tell them no you're not allowed anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 LOL that is exactly what i think, i also think the owner of that company must be some sick sadist, who gets a kick out of knowing that there are prople who want to buy chemicals from there but car'nt due to the amount you will get and how suspicious it looks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted October 24, 2004 Author Share Posted October 24, 2004 I've been and I couldnt see any bbq stuff, not hard to guess why as its coming winter. I didnt think they would before I went. But just to let you know that meths is cheaper at wilkos by 75p per 500ml than B&Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 that is cheap what percentage is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed84c Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 what else is in this 'inpure methanol' then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted October 24, 2004 Author Share Posted October 24, 2004 Here is a data sheet for "mentholated spirits". http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/ME/methylated_spirit.html It's £1.25 (ish) for 500ml from wilkos and it £1.95 from B&Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 there is going to be a problem with getting say 98% methanol from the metholated spirits which is 1) there is only 10% methanol 2) seperating the other chemicals is going to be very hard if not impossible and 3) it wont really be worth it because out of 1ltr you will only get 100ml which is not a lot, i guess we will have to look out for another source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted October 24, 2004 Author Share Posted October 24, 2004 Yeah, it crappy. its too much work, lol. I can get L.R grade 100ml for £9 which is a high price but that the only place i know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 where from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed84c Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Methalayted spirits+ Fractional distillation (all you need is 2 wine bottles, a thermometer and a pipe) mind you this could be less economic as it is only about 9% in the case we were just given... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 again the yield wont be worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted October 24, 2004 Author Share Posted October 24, 2004 I gave it a try to distil it today, as iv got all I need (made most my self) but its not easy, I wasn’t getting anything of until over 90C below that it was too slow to work. I was using a water bath to regulate the temperature batter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted October 24, 2004 Author Share Posted October 24, 2004 for £9 that include postage, so it works out not too bad, but I hate paying over the odds for something. grrrr labpak why do you taunt me so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 sorry this is sort of of topic but does anybody know where to get acetaldehyde from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Planning on making PETN are we? LOL ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 LOL, im glad you keep asuming i make things like that to be honest i didnt even know it was used in it, no just another experiment from my chemistry book using aldehyds ect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 it`s nothing personal honestly, it`s just that when I hear certain Chem names mentioned, Alarm bells start ringing I wouldn`t be doing my Job here properly if they didn`t check this out: http://www.chemicalland21.com/arokorhi/petrochemical/Acetaldehyde.htm http://www.epa.gov/chemfact/s_acetal.txt you should be able to work it out from these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted October 25, 2004 Author Share Posted October 25, 2004 nah I'm not making that stuff, not my cup of tea. I'll let you know very soon what I'm making. lol. But I'm not making bombs of any sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 it's ok and you are doing a great job i would also like to say is there anything you don't know:)), and i understand why you thought i might be making PETN because from reading those i see it is used in making Pentaerythritol which is the main ingrident for PETN, and thank you very much for posting those links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 I`m more than positive there`s PLENTY I don`t know! we can start with Maths if ya like ) I`m glad the sites confirmed the PE side of things for me, lets me know I aint "Trippin`" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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