ydoaPs Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Hardly. It's nothing new. In fact the grandfather paradox' date=' as this is an instance of, isn't the best regarded proof for the impossibility of time travel. Most people with the faintest notion of temporal mechanics laugh at this theory in much the same way that one would laugh at people who claim "you lose 70% of your body heat through your head".[/quote'] could you enlighten the rest of us to the basics of temporal mechanics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 How basic? [edit] Oh that reminds me. Ages ago in one of the time travel threads I was going to put together a temporal grammar system, and I never got around to it. I might dig that up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted October 10, 2004 Author Share Posted October 10, 2004 i know nothing about it, so i don't know what level it should be. i guess you could use that to make a level. yes, great idea. please do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 It won't be tonight as I'm off to bed soon :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 is this going to be like when blike said he would be back in ten min with info on a ghost thread? edit: I just checked out a copy of Reverse Time Travel. it's ISBN 0-304-34524-5. have you heard of it? if so, is it a good or bad book for trying to get a basic understanding of temporal mechanics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 I really have no idea, I've never read it. I don't actually recall saying I was an authority on temporal mechanics myself, but I'll certainly make every effort to put what I know together into something that actually makes sense. It will take a while so it will be at the weekend, not midweek when I have x7 things to do [edit] oh crappity. I will need to reinstall some 3D software too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted October 13, 2004 Author Share Posted October 13, 2004 well, you obviously are more of an athority than most people here(me at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted October 14, 2004 Author Share Posted October 14, 2004 can you reccomend some good books about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophiolite Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 While we await Sayonara's take on Temporal Mechanics cast your eye over this little gem - How to build a Time Machine. http://www.beyond-the-illusion.com/files/Physics/Temporal-Mechanics/ Best be seated before you begin reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 can you reccomend some good books about it? I haven't read any really good ones myself but if you read one book on the subject, make it this one, because it's accessible and looks into most of the major theories: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0195130960/102-4940012-4495352?v=glance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted October 17, 2004 Author Share Posted October 17, 2004 i just picked up "fabric of the cosmos" by brian greene. if you haven't already, you should read "the elegant universe"; i liked it. the fabric of the cosmos is about space and time, so it will probably at least touch on temporal mechanics. i'll tell you all when i get to it if it has it in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Okay cool - I have been meaning to read that anyway, so if it has any TM in it then that's more reason for me to squeeze it into my book queue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubJunk Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Ophiolite, i read that article on how to build a time machine, which is timely because i've been reading about phi and the golden ratio lately as well. I googled plenumary time theory and came up with four results, none of which were of any use at all. I wonder if you'd have any more links for this subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted October 18, 2004 Author Share Posted October 18, 2004 it may take me a while to read it, because i am very busy of late. muy schedule is packed, so i may have to cut back SFN to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophiolite Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Ophiolite' date=' i read that article on how to build a time machine, which is timely because i've been reading about phi and the golden ratio lately as well.I googled plenumary time theory and came up with four results, none of which were of any use at all. I wonder if you'd have any more links for this subject[/quote']No,nothing else. I stumbled on that one googling in relation to this thread. I only scanned the article, not a proper read yet. Perhaps, when I have the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted October 27, 2004 Author Share Posted October 27, 2004 [sarcasm]i am sad. still no info on temporal mechanics[/sarcasm] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 Listen, I have a full-time job, I am doing a degree, and I have no fewer than five commercial projects in the works, as well as several web sites to look after, and on top of that I have to do all the things for myself that mummy does for you, so you can imagine where "telling yourdad something he can get elsewhere" comes on my list of priorities. The sarcasm is somewhat misplaced. If you can't wait it really isn't my problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 i THINK i may understand why you are always saying that the grandfather paradox is not a paradox. a moment cannot be changed. the fact that you are alive now tells you that you will be unsuccessful if you should ever travel back in time to kill your father. if you go back in time, you will have been there the one and only time it came around. it isn't like you missed a play, so you caught the next one and kept it from proceeding as usual. even though "now" is different to everyone, "now" cannot be changed by future events. what happened happened and what didn't happen, didn't happen. nothing will ever change that. am i right or way off? edit: my last post was just to bump the thread in case anyone else knew anything about the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 That's the simple version, yeah. Kudos. People tend to try and process the sequence of events in some kind of logical order, which usually ends up being "the order in which the traveller commits actions", rather than the order in which the actual events occur. They then find that logic falls apart and they can't resolve the problem, so they slap a paradox label on it (instead of realising that linear logic won't account for things like effect preceding cause, et cetera.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 I'm taking some time off in Jan by the way to get some headway on a couple of projects, so I will set aside a morning to document the crazy in my head on this topic Better late than never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted December 14, 2004 Author Share Posted December 14, 2004 ok, this is BS, but it brings up a point. Shows you how to use a Tesla Coil to construct the amazing Chronological Time Reflector' date=' Time Platform and info about the De Lawarr Experiment. Also contains information on a device, which was given to the author by an actual time traveler! Instructions for the Hyperdimensional Resonator are also included and data on the physics of time travel.[/quote'] lets forget for a moment that this is BS. where did the information come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 The author, while he was on drugs, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Do not dis the Hyperdimensional Resonator. It can even allow you to carry friends on amazing trips through time - all they have to do is hold on tight. (I suspect this device only allows you to travel to the future, due to the coma that the electric shock puts you in.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Taylor Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Sometimes, I wonder if the pitfalls of the general public, which Sayonara quite rightly points out also include thinking that "Time" only travels one way, like a one-way street? -Darren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted December 15, 2004 Author Share Posted December 15, 2004 none of that answers the question without being sarcastic. it appears that information was spontaneously created, but i really doubt the validity of the product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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