Gilded Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 It says they only use USP ground mail, so I guess not. :< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 damn, yanks always get the fun stuff i mean salutes and firecrackers are still leagal over there and they can get chemicals which we want very easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Since when M-80s and other such devices have been legal in US? Didn't they ban them years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 ill get you a link if you want but when i was looking to buy some over the internet sadly to say unsuccesfully i found loads of firework shops that sell them you can buy pitbull titanium salutes red devil m-80's m-100's, or there own brand of salute's and these were just a few, and my serch was unsuccessful because they would not ship to england damn yanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 There's clearly a conspiracy that tries to prevent Europeans of getting any nice chemicals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 it wouldnt supprise me, damn yanks but i do know you can buy so very big salutes in spain about 1inch diametre and 8 inches long i think you can get some even bigger then that, as for chemicals damn yanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1dermon Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 m-80's were banned in the 70's i believe...there is also no reason for the name M-80, its just a military 80. lol. they were used in the 30's and 40's in the military to create a distraction(since they sound EXACTLY like gun fire) they would throw a bunch of them and then run away, when they went off, the germans would start firing at them and the americans would run up the other side and kill them all!! muhahahaha. oh, alum is hazmat, thats why it has to go ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caustic Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 the only "M-80's" and "M-100s" you can buy here in america are very weak and contain less than 2 grains of chemicals, which is hardly anything. They are basicially a small firecracker cast inside of some plaster in a cardboard tube, the explosion of the plaster makes the noise louder but they still suck! plus you cant even buy them in most states. Real M-80s were banned in the '60s and are very illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 "oh, alum is hazmat, thats why it has to go ground." Depends on how fine it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 alu like Zr an Mg and few others are what`s known as Pyrophoric materials when in a fine dust like form, even a drop of water can cause ignition, the oxygen in the air does the rest. in small quantities it`s practicaly harmless, but half a pound or so of it, under the right conditions could easily cause a fire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1dermon Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 caustic, i hope you mean 2 "grains", 130milligrams. thats the legal limit for firecrackers in america. m-100 is just a name. it means nothing, just like m-80. REAL m-80's contain anywhere from 3 grams-9 grams of flashpowder 3 grams is 45 grains, the limit is 2 grains...that shows you how powerfull these things are..m-80's are typically 1 1/3 inch long and a half inch wide with a fuse out the SIDE, however, imitators find it easier to stuff it through the end and then cap it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 end "stuffed" have a longer report in ms than the side ones, but lack the power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 what are the biggest salutes you can get in america because these are from america and they sound/look impressive http://www.neptunefireworks.com/itemdetails.asp?itemid=J054 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 M-80`s (or similar) are ilegal for civilian use, and so the answer would be anything less than Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1dermon Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 those firecrackers cannot have more than 50mg or 130mg i forget of flashpowder in them. EVERY firecracker on the market has 50-130mg of flashpowder in them, the limit in america. if they have 1mg more, then they are illegal. aerial displays are allowed a little more i think. some fireworks companies, like phantom, market big firecrackers, that look like an m-80, but they have only as much power as the most powerful allowable crackers available in bricks. its a huge misconception. another misconception is people say that m-80's are 1/8th sticks of dynamite or something...1/4 sticks or some crap. thats total bull. a stick of dynamite is like...hundreds of times more powerful than an m-80. and dynamite sends a shockwave regardless if its contained in a paper tube or not. whereas, flashpowder would need around 20grams in an open atmosphere to detonate. it could be more, but im not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Yeah, flash powder can be "dead pressed" if that's the correct term. :< And the sound that comes from the "m-80" is just the container cracking open, and even though some of them are quite powerful, they can't match dynamite in any respect (except maybe for the sound). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 another misconception is that Flash Powder "Detonates" it doesn`t. it just burns very fast, but still at subsonic rates, hence the depth of the report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1dermon Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 right YT, however, it can be self contained deflagration, which can create a shockwave, because it still burns fast enough to self contain itself in a large pile. but again, thats just like the cardboard tube bursting, its the flashpowder covering the inside that contains the deflagration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Talking about burning/exploding fast: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991103 A rather old story, but 10^6 times faster explosion rate than TNT is something alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 i have heard of that before and i read some where that they might even start to use it in airbags because it is so fast at releasing gasses which is good for the use in a airbag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Good to see that people have something else in mind than "let's kill other people" when they discover a new explosive material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1dermon Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 lol, indeed. however, explosives are usefull in a lot of applications other than blowing people up. they are avalanche busters, they demolish buildings in a controlled fashion(when done by professionsals) they provide lots of enjoyment on the 4th of july...they are also being used to develop new rocket fuels. NASA announced that they are testing candle wax rockets. they use candle wax as a fuel and oxygen as an oxidiser(i believe). im not talking about high explosives, im talking about combustable mixtures in general. lol. before everyone starts saying...oh, so you're saying they're gonna use comp 4 in the shuttle booster? no. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 LOL, I rem seeing that silicon demo LIVE on tv News chan about a year ago, holy crap that stuff`s got some power in it! and the surprising part was the the same stuff (silicon type) is used in your average PC too ) kinda makes you wonder how long these chumps that want to make their own Liquid Nitrogen cooling systems are gunna last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1dermon Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 lol, liquid nitrogen makes a great bottle bomb...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 "and the surprising part was the the same stuff (silicon type) is used in your average PC too )" Hmmh? Do they use porous silicon in PCs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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