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how would you ionize hydrogen atoms to get just protons?


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One way is to put a big electric field in place. It's what you do in a discharge tube for a variety of gases. The recombination often emits pretty light, according to the energy level structure.

 

At TRIUMF they actually add an electron to hydrogen to form H- to accelerate it, and the strip off the electrons in the process of directing the beam to its target. The stripper foil probably works by having a higher affinity for electrons, which AFAIK is similar (microscopically) to field ionization.

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The easiest way to get protons is to drop an acid into water: your acid ("B-H") dissociates into B- and H+. Not that this would be very useful for particle accelerators...

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The easiest way to get protons is to drop an acid into water: your acid ("B-H") dissociates into B- and H+. Not that this would be very useful for particle accelerators...

 

This will exclusively make hydronium ions [ce] H3O^+ [/ce]. [ce] H^+ [/ce] is just shorthand, since the net effect is the motion of a proton, but it occurs exclusively as hydronium in aqueous solution, or appropriate species in other solvents.

 

The closest you can get to naked protons in a reaction mixture is 1:1 molar combination of antimony pentafluoride and liquid anhydrous hydrofluoric acid. This is the strongest known superacid.

 

Swansont is the guy to listen to here. :cool:

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This will exclusively make hydronium ions [ce] H3O^+ [/ce]. [ce] H^+ [/ce] is just shorthand, since the net effect is the motion of a proton, but it occurs exclusively as hydronium in aqueous solution, or appropriate species in other solvents.

 

The closest you can get to naked protons in a reaction mixture is 1:1 molar combination of antimony pentafluoride and liquid anhydrous hydrofluoric acid. This is the strongest known superacid.

 

Swansont is the guy to listen to here. :cool:

 

If you want to be technical about it, true. :P However, the H+ does not remain bound to any particular molecule for very long: the lifetime of a given H3O+ is on the order of 10^-13 seconds in water. I would call that, at best, a metastable complex.

 

Did he say that he needed a completely naked proton?

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