5 hours ago, Trurl said:

I agree. But if you don’t believe in spiritual aspects of numerology the pattern seems like it is based on the imaginary. But even if numerology is not believed in the is still a mathematical relationship. Didn’t it take awhile for imaginary numbers to be accepted? Or drawing in many dimensions? There are hundreds of algorithms for numerology.

Could these algorithms relate to cryptography? Could you decode with an algorithm that knows no limits of missing information? I say to break a trap door function you have to apply a known pattern to it. A one way function that appears to be irreversible may give clues when you augment it with a known series. I don’t know numerology all that well but I bet if you used the tools it has cryptographic uses. Like how in basic ciphers letter frequency is used. The plain text has already been encoded with it symbolic equivalent.

I got you. We are now on the same page. When you said WAGs I thought WAGs were some undefined category.

There is an over abundance of wags. All the more reason to apply numerology techniques.

Would you agree with the statement: solving public key cryptography is numerology I the sense by reading the message is like working numerology in the sense that there is no logic to it. Ignoring the fact we have a public key.

Three times in the past I have tried to solve problems with 2 or more unknowns. That is what trap door functions are: a public key with 2 unknowns to get the private key.

This is not numerology, but it is pushing boundaries. What if I took a graph of the public key function and took a pattern I modified from numerology? And graphed f at numerology over the graph of public key? We look at the resulting graph and look for patterns that are known in numerology. So now for 2 unknowns we have an algorithm.

Of course you could use a more accepted pattern. We are just using numerology for fun and it has a bunch of tools to analyze the graph.

I know you will be skeptical of this method. The plotting idea is mine. The use of numerology isn’t. Someone once emailed me numerology applied to my work. I thought to myself there is no correlation. I’m not so sure.

This is still a terrible muddle. Complex numbers have nothing to do with numerology. They are just a concept in mathematics, a logical extension of the real numbers which obey mathematical rules.

You seem to be confusing branches of mathematics with searching for patterns in numbers, and then further confusing patterns in numbers that are real, with a rational basis, with perceived patterns that are not really there.

There is no such thing as a numerology "technique".

Several people have pointed out to you that searching for patterns in numbers or numerical data is not numerology. Numerology starts when patterns are either imagined, when they are not there, or are ascribed to imaginary influences with no basis in science.

Cryptography is not numerology.

On 5/25/2026 at 4:55 AM, exchemist said:

Cryptography is not numerology

It does have many similarities. There are sieves and complex algorithms to numerology. There are sophisticated algorithms in numerology. As MigL said science is based on measurable and observable math. Sometimes there is a fuzzy area where we don’t know where or how the math is represented. Lots of things in crypto are intangible. All I am saying is maybe we could use numerology techniques to find patterns in ciphers or public keys. But I don’t think this is an original idea of mine because I think others have already put it into practice.

I will give you one of my ideas which I don’t know if anyone has put into practice. What if we were to take statistics and combine them with numerology equations? Not to predict games but to play them. You could add randomness to D&D and eliminate the need for dice. The attack points and save rolls could randomly be defined based on numerological aspects of the players character.

Take a fighting game like SF2. What if we designed a realistic fighting game? The player throws a round house kick and the opponent blocks. Given the position and timing the chance of blocking is a statistic. What would be the effect of using numerology to enhance the stats?

I am saying combined with real world stats that though logical could never be truly random. If you don’t believe in numerology, you believe the answers don’t have a pattern anyway thus random.

Again I don’t know how I feel about numerology. It is ancient. But finding patterns is fine. But at the same time you have to be cautious of spiritual things.

Moderator Note

I think it’s pretty clear that what the OP means by numerology is not the accepted description/definition of numerology. There’s no way to have a conversation in good faith when we don’t have a common language, and this is exacerbated when there is no effort made to correct the misuse of the terminology.