I have worked on derivation now as i noticed i just stated somethings but didnt derive.

I will soon share them.

Classical Limit and Recovery of General Relativity

A foundational requirement for any quantum gravity model is that it must reproduce General Relativity (GR) in the classical limit. QCF achieves this by showing that dense, statistically homogeneous Chorton fields yield the Einstein field equations as an emergent phenomenon.

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From Discrete Curvature to Smooth Geometry

Each Chorton [math]\chi_{\mu\nu}[/math] is a localized spin-2 curvature excitation. The aggregate curvature over a region [math]V[/math] around a point [math]x[/math] is given by:

[math]R(x) = \alpha \cdot \frac{N_\chi(x) \cdot E_\chi}{V}[/math]

where [math]N_\chi(x)[/math] is the number of Chortons in the region [math]V[/math], [math]E_\chi[/math] is the energy per Chorton, and [math]\alpha[/math] is a proportionality constant.

In the dense limit [math]N_\chi \to \infty[/math], we define the emergent metric as:

[math]g_{\mu\nu}(x) = \lim_{V \to 0} \left\langle \chi_{\mu\nu}(x) \right\rangle_V[/math]

This expectation value forms a smooth, differentiable manifold from the underlying quantum structure.

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Derivation of Einstein Field Equations

In the low-energy, decoherent limit, the QCF action reduces to:

[math]S_\chi = \int d^4x , \sqrt{-g} \left[ \frac{1}{2\kappa} \chi^{\mu\nu} \mathcal{G}{\mu\nu} - V(\chi) + \mathcal{L}\text{matter} \right][/math]

Letting [math]\langle \chi_{\mu\nu} \rangle \sim g_{\mu\nu}[/math], the variation of the action with respect to [math]g^{\mu\nu}[/math] gives:

[math]\delta S = \delta \int d^4x \sqrt{-g} \left[ \frac{1}{2\kappa} R + \mathcal{L}\text{matter} \right] = \int d^4x \sqrt{-g} \left[ \frac{1}{2\kappa} \left( R{\mu\nu} - \frac{1}{2} g_{\mu\nu} R \right) - \frac{1}{2} T_{\mu\nu} \right] \delta g^{\mu\nu}[/math]

Setting [math]\delta S = 0[/math] for arbitrary variations [math]\delta g^{\mu\nu}[/math] yields the Einstein field equations:

[math]R_{\mu\nu} - \frac{1}{2} g_{\mu\nu} R = \kappa T_{\mu\nu}[/math]

This demonstrates that Einstein’s gravity emerges as a coarse-grained limit of densely populated Chorton curvature excitations.

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Conditions for Classical Emergence

• High Chorton density: [math]N_\chi \gg 1[/math] per Planck volume

• Smooth gradients: The energy and spin distribution of Chortons must be statistically uniform

• Decoherence: Quantum correlations are suppressed on macroscopic scales

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Predictions from the Classical Limit

• Geodesic motion follows from the emergent curved metric [math]g_{\mu\nu}[/math]

• Time dilation and gravitational redshift arise from local Chorton energy gradients

• Newtonian gravity is recovered via linearization: [math]g_{\mu\nu} = \eta_{\mu\nu} + h_{\mu\nu}[/math]

• Gravitational waves correspond to coherent Chorton excitations

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Conclusion

Just as thermodynamics arises from statistical mechanics, General Relativity emerges from the collective dynamics of the quantum Chorton field in the macroscopic limit. The QCF framework is therefore consistent with GR in all classical tests.

Edited July 25Jul 25 by Dhillon1724X

22 hours ago, Dhillon1724X said:

If you see any specific spot in my paper or posts where I’ve unintentionally slipped into ontologically circular language, I’d really appreciate you pointing it out. That kind of critique helps me improve the model at its foundations.

Quick example: the post where the quote above is taken from.

(If you understood “ontological bootstrapping problem” you would have spotted it before posting?)

8 minutes ago, Ghideon said:

Quick example: the post where the quote above is taken from.

(If you understood “ontological bootstrapping problem” you would have spotted it before posting?)

Thanks — fair point. I’m still sharpening my understanding of ontological circularity and bootstrapping, so feedback like this helps. If that specific quote does fall into circular reasoning, I’d appreciate clarification — I’m here to learn and refine.

I’m genuinely trying to build the model on first principles, not just layer assumptions over assumptions. If any piece fails that standard, I want to fix it.

13 minutes ago, Ghideon said:

Quick example: the post where the quote above is taken from.

Thanks for pointing that out — I think I see what you're referring to. My intention was to describe a pre-geometric process, but I now realize that some of my phrasing (like "localized" or "energy density") may have unintentionally carried spacetime assumptions. I'm revising that language to focus more on graph-based excitation structures and relational thresholds, rather than implying any spatial ontology at the fundamental level.

can you suggest what wording to use?

Section: Cosmic Expansion in the Quantum Chorton Framework

In the Quantum Chorton Framework (QCF), cosmic expansion is not described as the stretching of a pre-existing spacetime fabric. Instead, it emerges from the geometric weakening of curvature fields defined by stationary Chorton excitations. As Chorton energy redshifts over time, average curvature between distant nodes reduces—resulting in the appearance of expansion.

Expansion as Curvature Dilution

Each Chorton is a localized curvature excitation with energy [math]E_{\text{ch}}[/math]. Over time, this energy redshifts proportionally to the inverse of the scale factor [math]a(t)[/math]:

[math]E_{\text{ch}}(t) = E_{\text{ch},0} \cdot \frac{a_0}{a(t)}[/math]

Since Chorton energy directly sources local curvature, the Ricci scalar evolves accordingly:

[math]R(t) \propto E_{\text{ch}}(t)[/math]

Thus, cosmic expansion is modeled as the reduction in curvature excitation energy, not as metric expansion.

Recovery of Classical FLRW Expansion

At macroscopic scales, the QCF model converges to the FLRW behavior. The effective emergent metric has the standard form:

[math]ds^2 = -c^2 dt^2 + a(t)^2 \left( dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 \right)[/math]

This metric emerges from coarse-graining the discrete Chorton graph. Spacetime itself is not fundamental but results from node interactions and excitation density in QCF.

Bound Structures Do Not Expand

QCF naturally explains why galaxies, atoms, and other structures remain unaffected by cosmic expansion:

• Bound systems contain dense, high-energy Chorton fields.

• These fields are quantum-coherent and resist redshifting.

• As a result, internal energy densities remain constant.

Only low-density, unbound regions (e.g., cosmic voids) undergo redshift-induced curvature dilution.

Observational Consistency

This prediction matches key cosmological data:

• Cosmic redshift: Light from distant galaxies is stretched ([math]z[/math] increases), consistent with [math]a(t)[/math] growth.

• CMB cooling: Temperature dropped from ~3000 K to 2.725 K, in line with energy redshift.

• Structure stability: No evidence of galaxies or solar systems expanding, consistent with local Chorton binding.

In QCF, redshift only affects low-density curvature regions. Bound structures retain their geometry.

Conclusion

QCF provides a quantum-geometric interpretation of expansion:

• Redshift of Chorton energy causes apparent cosmic stretching.

• Bound regions remain stable due to quantum coherence.

• Observational data align with this curvature-based expansion model.

This formulation resolves the long-standing tension between expanding spacetime and non-expanding structures, offering a unified view rooted in quantum gravity.

9 minutes ago, Dhillon1724X said:

Section: Cosmic Expansion in the Quantum Chorton Framework

In the Quantum Chorton Framework (QCF), cosmic expansion is not described as the stretching of a pre-existing spacetime fabric. Instead, it emerges from the geometric weakening of curvature fields defined by stationary Chorton excitations. As Chorton energy redshifts over time, average curvature between distant nodes reduces—resulting in the appearance of expansion.

Expansion as Curvature Dilution

Each Chorton is a localized curvature excitation with energy Ech. Over time, this energy redshifts proportionally to the inverse of the scale factor a(t):

Ech(t)=Ech,0⋅a0a(t)

Since Chorton energy directly sources local curvature, the Ricci scalar evolves accordingly:

R(t)∝Ech(t)

Thus, cosmic expansion is modeled as the reduction in curvature excitation energy, not as metric expansion.

Recovery of Classical FLRW Expansion

At macroscopic scales, the QCF model converges to the FLRW behavior. The effective emergent metric has the standard form:

ds2=−c2dt2+a(t)2(dx2+dy2+dz2)

This metric emerges from coarse-graining the discrete Chorton graph. Spacetime itself is not fundamental but results from node interactions and excitation density in QCF.

Bound Structures Do Not Expand

QCF naturally explains why galaxies, atoms, and other structures remain unaffected by cosmic expansion:

• Bound systems contain dense, high-energy Chorton fields.

• These fields are quantum-coherent and resist redshifting.

• As a result, internal energy densities remain constant.

Only low-density, unbound regions (e.g., cosmic voids) undergo redshift-induced curvature dilution.

Observational Consistency

This prediction matches key cosmological data:

• Cosmic redshift: Light from distant galaxies is stretched (z increases), consistent with a(t) growth.

• CMB cooling: Temperature dropped from ~3000 K to 2.725 K, in line with energy redshift.

• Structure stability: No evidence of galaxies or solar systems expanding, consistent with local Chorton binding.

In QCF, redshift only affects low-density curvature regions. Bound structures retain their geometry.

Conclusion

QCF provides a quantum-geometric interpretation of expansion:

• Redshift of Chorton energy causes apparent cosmic stretching.

• Bound regions remain stable due to quantum coherence.

• Observational data align with this curvature-based expansion model.

This formulation resolves the long-standing tension between expanding spacetime and non-expanding structures, offering a unified view rooted in quantum gravity.

It currently lack derivation but in new version i have worked on it.

\section{Black Hole Formation in the Quantum Chorton Framework (QCF)}*

1. Chorton Energy Density Collapse Condition

Let the total Chorton energy in a region of volume [math] V [/math] be:

[math] E_{\text{tot}} = N_{\text{ch}} \cdot E_{\text{ch}} [/math]

Thus, the energy density becomes:

[math] \rho_{\text{ch}} = \frac{E_{\text{tot}}}{V} = \frac{N_{\text{ch}} E_{\text{ch}}}{V} [/math]

To trigger gravitational collapse, a quantum-curvature threshold is imposed:

[math] \rho_{\text{ch}} \geq \rho_{\text{collapse}} \Rightarrow R \leq \frac{2G E_{\text{tot}}}{c^4} [/math]

Substituting [math] E_{\text{tot}} = N_{\text{ch}} E_{\text{ch}} [/math] gives:

[math] R \leq \frac{2G N_{\text{ch}} E_{\text{ch}}}{c^4} [/math]

This mirrors the Schwarzschild radius condition, but is derived from curvature excitation energy instead of classical mass.

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2. Thermodynamic Perspective: Geometric Entropy

Let the geometric entropy be proportional to the number of Chortons:

[math] S_{\text{geom}} \propto N_{\text{ch}} = \frac{\rho_{\text{ch}} V}{E_{\text{ch}}} [/math]

In the high-temperature (blackbody) limit, let:

[math] \rho_{\text{ch}} = a T^4 [/math]

Substituting gives:

[math] S_{\text{geom}} \propto \frac{a T^4 V}{E_{\text{ch}}} [/math]

This matches expected thermodynamic growth in entropy with temperature and volume. At extreme energy densities, the entropy asymptotically approaches the Bekenstein–Hawking limit:

[math] S_{\text{BH}} = \frac{k_B c^3 A}{4 G \hbar} [/math]

where the area is:

[math] A = 4\pi R^2 = 16\pi \left( \frac{G N_{\text{ch}} E_{\text{ch}}}{c^4} \right)^2 [/math]

This bridges QCF's excitation-based entropy with classical black hole thermodynamics.

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{Hawking Radiation as Chorton Field Dissipation}

3. Black Hole Energy and Dissipation

Total energy remains:

[math] E_{\text{tot}} = N_{\text{ch}} E_{\text{ch}} [/math]

Assume Hawking evaporation arises from slow dissipation of curvature excitations. The dissipation rate is:

[math] \frac{dE}{dt} \propto -\frac{1}{E_{\text{tot}}^2} \Rightarrow \frac{d(N_{\text{ch}} E_{\text{ch}})}{dt} = -\alpha \cdot \frac{1}{(N_{\text{ch}} E_{\text{ch}})^2} [/math]

Solving gives:

[math] (N_{\text{ch}} E_{\text{ch}})^3 = 3\alpha t + C \Rightarrow E(t) = \left(3\alpha t + C\right)^{1/3} [/math]

This captures the core behavior of Hawking radiation:

• Faster decay at lower mass

• Energy evaporation over time

• Terminal zero-energy state at large [math] t [/math]

I welcome any critique or question.

If you have none then i will appreciate if you tell,as if you tell its good then i can move to next part.

Update!
I have updated version with full derivations now.
First i will see if everyone is satisfied with what i have shared and my answers.
I will share next parts afterward.

5 hours ago, Dhillon1724X said:

I welcome any critique or question.

You have not provided any coherent model for the emergence of spacetime. Building new speculations (for instance about expansion) on top of that does not work.

2 minutes ago, Ghideon said:

You have not provided any coherent model for the emergence of spacetime. Building new speculations (for instance about expansion) on top of that does not work.

Sorry i forgot,not everyone has read my paper.
I will share it here too.

Its very hard to share all here,i have full lagrangians,hamiltonian,path intergal,Feyman rules,GR recovery,Newtonian Gravity recovery etc.

I cant share paper directly so its only option

Quantum Chorton Framework (QCF)

In QCF, curvature emerges only when the local energy density on a pre-spacetime graph exceeds a critical value—the Planck threshold [math]\rho_P[/math]. The curvature is mediated by a symmetric spin-2 field [math]\chi_{\mu\nu}(x)[/math], activated only under high-energy excitation.

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Free Field Lagrangian:

Once [math]\rho(x) \geq \rho_P[/math], geometry emerges locally. The Chorton field satisfies:

[math]
\mathcal{L}\chi = \frac{1}{2} \partial\lambda \chi_{\mu\nu} \partial^\lambda \chi^{\mu\nu}

• \partial_\mu \chi^{\mu\nu} \partial^\lambda \chi_{\lambda\nu}

• \partial_\mu \chi^\nu_{\ \nu} \partial^\lambda \chi^\mu_{\ \lambda}

• \frac{1}{2} \partial_\mu \chi^\nu_{\ \nu} \partial^\mu \chi^\lambda_{\ \lambda}
  [/math]

This yields two physical spin-2 polarizations with gauge symmetry:

[math]
\chi_{\mu\nu} \rightarrow \chi_{\mu\nu} + \partial_\mu \xi_\nu + \partial_\nu \xi_\mu
[/math]

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Energy Activation on a Graph [math]\mathcal{G}[/math]:

Nodes [math]v \in \mathcal{G}[/math] hold local Hamiltonians [math]\hat{H}_v[/math] and energy expectation:

[math]
\mathcal{E}_v = \langle \Psi | \hat{H}_v | \Psi \rangle
[/math]

Average density over a region [math]\Omega[/math]:

[math]
\rho_\Omega = \frac{1}{|\Omega| V_P} \sum_{v \in \Omega} \mathcal{E}_v
[/math]

Activation condition:

[math]
\rho_\Omega \geq \rho_P \Rightarrow \chi_{\mu\nu}(\Omega) \neq 0
[/math]

With sigmoid activation:

[math]
f(\rho_\Omega) = \frac{1}{1 + e^{-k(\rho_\Omega - \rho_P)}}
[/math]

And energy potential:

[math]
V_{\text{act}}[\rho_\Omega] = \lambda \left( \frac{\rho_\Omega}{\rho_P} - 1 \right)^2 \cdot \theta(\rho_\Omega - \rho_P)
[/math]

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Total Action:

[math]
S_{\text{QCF}} = \sum_{\Omega \subset \mathcal{G}} \left[ \mathcal{L}_{\text{energy}}[\Omega]

• V_{\text{act}}[\rho_\Omega]

• f(\rho_\Omega) \cdot \mathcal{L}{\text{ch}}[\chi{\mu\nu}] \right]
  [/math]

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Chorton Dynamics:

Graph Laplacian governs curvature spreading:

[math]
\Delta_{\mathcal{G}} \chi_{\mu\nu}(v) = \sum_{u \sim v} w_{uv} [ \chi_{\mu\nu}(u) - \chi_{\mu\nu}(v) ]
[/math]

With source coupling:

[math]
f(\rho_\Omega) \cdot \Delta_{\mathcal{G}} \chi_{\mu\nu}(v) = \beta \cdot T^{\text{eff}}_{\mu\nu}(\Omega)
[/math]

Effective stress tensor from quantum fluctuations:

[math]
T^{\text{eff}}{\mu\nu} = \langle \Psi | \hat{H}\mu \hat{H}\nu | \Psi \rangle - \langle \Psi | \hat{H}\mu | \Psi \rangle \langle \Psi | \hat{H}_\nu | \Psi \rangle
[/math]

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Emergent Expansion:

Chorton density:

[math]
n_\chi(t) = \frac{N_\chi(t)}{V(t)}
[/math]

Emergent scale factor:

[math]
a(t) \propto n_\chi(t)^{-1/3}
[/math]

Redshift relations:

[math]
E_{\text{ch}}(t) \propto \frac{1}{a(t)}, \quad \lambda_{\text{ch}}(t) \propto a(t)
[/math]

its short version

17 minutes ago, Dhillon1724X said:

In QCF, curvature emerges only when the local energy density on a pre-spacetime graph exceeds a critical value—the Planck threshold ρP.

As I said earlier: look up ontological bootstrapping

Quantum Chorton Framework (QCF): A Discrete Approach to Emergent Spacetime and Curvature

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Lagrangian Formulation:

When [math] \rho(x) \geq \rho_P [/math], curvature activates and follows the linearized Einstein/Fierz–Pauli dynamics:

[math]
\mathcal{L}\chi = \frac{1}{2} \partial\lambda \chi_{\mu\nu} \partial^\lambda \chi^{\mu\nu}

• \partial_\mu \chi^{\mu\nu} \partial^\lambda \chi_{\lambda\nu}

• \partial_\mu \chi^\nu_{\ \nu} \partial^\lambda \chi^\mu_{\ \lambda}

• \frac{1}{2} \partial_\mu \chi^\nu_{\ \nu} \partial^\mu \chi^\lambda_{\ \lambda}
  [/math]

This is defined only where graph-based energy thresholds are met.

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Graph Activation and Curvature Triggering:

Nodes [math] v \in \mathcal{G} [/math] hold local Hamiltonians [math] \hat{H}_v [/math], and energy is defined by:

[math]
\mathcal{E}_v = \langle \Psi | \hat{H}_v | \Psi \rangle
[/math]

The energy density over a region [math] \Omega [/math] is:

[math]
\rho_\Omega = \frac{1}{|\Omega| V_P} \sum_{v \in \Omega} \mathcal{E}_v
[/math]

Spacetime curvature appears only if:

[math]
\rho_\Omega \geq \rho_P \Rightarrow \chi_{\mu\nu}(\Omega) \neq 0
[/math]

Smoothed by a sigmoid activation:

[math]
f(\rho_\Omega) = \frac{1}{1 + e^{-k(\rho_\Omega - \rho_P)}}
[/math]

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Graph Laplacian Curvature Dynamics:

Curvature spreads via a discrete Laplacian:

[math]
\Delta_{\mathcal{G}} \chi_{\mu\nu}(v) = \sum_{u \sim v} w_{uv} [ \chi_{\mu\nu}(u) - \chi_{\mu\nu}(v) ]
[/math]

With source coupling:

[math]
f(\rho_\Omega) \cdot \Delta_{\mathcal{G}} \chi_{\mu\nu}(v) = \beta \cdot T^{\text{eff}}_{\mu\nu}(\Omega)
[/math]

Where [math] T^{\text{eff}}_{\mu\nu} [/math] is defined as the covariance of local quantum energy fluctuations.

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Emergent Expansion and Redshift:

Chorton density:

[math]
n_\chi(t) = \frac{N_\chi(t)}{V(t)}, \quad a(t) \propto n_\chi(t)^{-1/3}
[/math]

This gives redshift relations:

[math]
E_{\text{ch}}(t) \propto \frac{1}{a(t)}, \quad \lambda_{\text{ch}}(t) \propto a(t)
[/math]

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Conclusion:

This formulation does not assume pre-existing spacetime. Instead, curvature and geometry are emergent and quantized, triggered by local excitation on a quantum graph. Feedback welcome on formal structure or physical interpretation.

1 minute ago, Ghideon said:

As I said earlier: look up ontological bootstrapping

You got me again,
Sorry i messed up again.

You start with a coarse-grained version of space, and explicitly introduce a preferred time, but you deny there is space-time in your model, although we can all see there is. You implicitly introduce gravity fields, because you illegitimately use G, thereby making room for fields with the dimensions required by gravity, but you call them "photons".

The LLM you're using, instead of correcting your mistakes, helps perpetuate in your mind the false impression that you've come up with a novel idea.

The lack of testable predictions should be a powerful clue that there's nothing there. When I say "testable predictions" I mean real ones, not things like,

On 7/20/2025 at 7:45 AM, Dhillon1724X said:

- **Black hole formation from radiation alone ,

Didn't we agree this "photon collapse" was not gravitational? By the way, there is no reason in GR not to consider BH formation from just photons. Some models actually do that for the sake of simplicity, although that's not the way it happens in actual collapsing stars.

Or,

On 7/20/2025 at 7:45 AM, Dhillon1724X said:

- **Redefined Hawking radiation as a dissipation of the curvature field,

Redefining something with nice-sounding words is not a prediction. What are the degrees of freedom of the curvature field? A smooth curvature field does not have anything in the way of thermality. It doesn't look like you've explained that.

This is getting almost painful to watch. I couldn't agree more with @Ghideon that you're engaging in ontological (or at least conceptual) bootstrapping.

On 7/25/2025 at 7:44 PM, Dhillon1724X said:

On 7/25/2025 at 7:41 PM, KJW said:

On 7/21/2025 at 11:30 PM, Dhillon1724X said:

For a massless particle (such as a photon or graviton), which experiences no proper time, the trajectory is instead governed by the null geodesic equation:

[math]\dfrac{d^2 x^\mu}{dλ^2} + \Gamma^\mu_{\nu\sigma} \dfrac{dx^\nu}{dλ} \dfrac{dx^\sigma}{dλ} = 0[/math]

where λ is an affine parameter along the particle’s worldline.

Perhaps you can elaborate on what an affine parameter is, particularly with regards to null geodesics, which cannot be parametrised with proper time or arc length.

An affine parameter is a parameter along a geodesic that preserves the geodesic equation's form. For null geodesics, proper time τ is zero, so we can't use it. Instead, we use an affine parameter λ, which labels points along the path in a way that keeps the motion equation:

[math]\dfrac{d^2 x^\mu}{dλ^2} + \Gamma^\mu_{\nu\sigma} \dfrac{dx^\nu}{dλ} \dfrac{dx^\sigma}{dλ} = 0[/math]

This ensures the particle’s path remains a true geodesic, even without proper time.

In what way is this not circular? That is, you provide the null geodesic equation in which the parameter is an affine parameter, but when asked what an affine parameter is, you refer back to the null geodesic equation.

6 hours ago, joigus said:

photons

The photons are dropped from this at very beginning.

I don’t see you ever addressed my question about what happens to the chortons after spacetime emerges.

On 7/24/2025 at 7:46 AM, Dhillon1724X said:

Time, as a dimension, begins with spacetime—but time as a measurable process only becomes meaningful once physical events start happening inside it, such as the appearance of energy or light.

But since chortons are formed by having a certain energy density, energy has already appeared.

How do you have time without time being a dimension?

26 minutes ago, swansont said:

I don’t see you ever addressed my question about what happens to the chortons after spacetime emerges.

But since chortons are formed by having a certain energy density, energy has already appeared.

“Energy density” is a symbolic tool used to express when and where a quantum region of the graph becomes excited enough to activate curvature.
It's a threshold condition, not a literal thermodynamic quantity.

@KJW when we say null particles follow geodesics “with respect to an affine parameter,” we’re saying: Here’s a class of parameterizations under which the geometry preserves its structure, even though proper time doesn’t exist for the particle.

7 hours ago, joigus said:

The LLM you're using, instead of correcting your mistakes, helps perpetuate in your mind the false impression that you've come up with a novel idea.

I am here to be corrected by you all.I dont rely on AI for that.

7 hours ago, joigus said:

What are the degrees of freedom of the curvature field?

In the Quantum Chorton Framework (QCF), the curvature field is represented by a symmetric rank-2 tensor χμν\chi_{\mu\nu}χμν defined on a 4-dimensional pre-spacetime graph. At each node, this field encodes localized curvature through a Hamiltonian formulation.

A symmetric 4×44 \times 44×4 tensor field has:

[math]
\frac{4 \cdot (4 + 1)}{2} = 10
[/math]

independent components per node.

Following the standard 3+1 ADM decomposition, we isolate the spatial components:

[math]
\chi_{ij} = \text{spatial metric}, \quad \pi^{ij} = \frac{\delta \mathcal{L}}{\delta \dot{\chi}_{ij}},
[/math]

resulting in 6 configuration variables and 6 canonical conjugate momenta:

[math]
(q_{ij}, \pi^{ij}) \Rightarrow 12 \text{ phase space variables}.
[/math]

The QCF Hamiltonian includes lapse and shift functions:

[math]
H = \int d^3x \left( N \mathcal{H} + N^i \mathcal{H}_i \right),
[/math]

with the following constraints (from QCF Section 9.3):

Hamiltonian constraint:

[math]
\mathcal{H} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{q}} \left( \pi^{ij} \pi_{ij} - \frac{1}{2} \pi^2 \right) - \sqrt{q} , R^{(3)} + \mathcal{H}_\chi = 0,
[/math]

Momentum constraints:

[math]
\mathcal{H}i = -2 q{ik} \nabla_j \pi^{jk} = 0.
[/math]

These four first-class constraints (1 Hamiltonian + 3 momentum) each remove 2 phase space degrees of freedom — one due to the constraint itself, and one due to gauge freedom:

[math]
2 \cdot 4 = 8 \text{ DOFs removed}.
[/math]

From the original 12, this leaves:

[math]
12 - 8 = 4 \text{ physical phase space DOFs},
[/math]

corresponding to:

[math]
\frac{4}{2} = 2 \text{ physical configuration space DOFs}.
[/math]

Therefore, the Chorton field χμν\chi_{\mu\nu}χμν in QCF has:

[math]
\boxed{2}
[/math]

physical degrees of freedom per node — matching the two transverse-traceless (TT) polarizations of a massless spin-2 field.

However, unlike gravitons, these TT modes are stationary, localized excitations bound to nodes in a quantum graph structure. They do not propagate but instead encode curvature as a discrete, quantized structure intrinsic to the graph itself.

The constraint algebra closes properly:

[math]
{ \mathcal{H}(x), \mathcal{H}(y) } \sim q^{ij}(x) \mathcal{H}_j(x) \delta(x - y) + \dots,
[/math]

ensuring consistency of the Hamiltonian formulation and the internal gauge structure of QCF.

As i said earlier its hard to share everything at once.

I will share whatever you want when you guys ask.I will not share paper here as its not allowed

9 hours ago, Dhillon1724X said:

In the Quantum Chorton Framework (QCF), the curvature field is represented by a symmetric rank-2 tensor χμν\chi_{\mu\nu}χμν defined on a 4-dimensional pre-spacetime graph. At each node, this field encodes localized curvature through a Hamiltonian formulation.

I meant thermal DOF, not geometric DOF. IOW, what are the microstates?

To this day, nobody knows for sure what the microstates of a BH are. There are proposals, but not a mainstream explanation, AFAIK.

11 hours ago, Dhillon1724X said:

“Energy density” is a symbolic tool used to express when and where a quantum region of the graph becomes excited enough to activate curvature.
It's a threshold condition, not a literal thermodynamic quantity

Terminology has meaning when discussing physics (and any topic, really). If you call something energy density, do a calculation of energy density, and talk of an excitation then you must mean energy density. A literal quantity, which you need to identify a threshold condition. Saying it’s a symbolic tool sounds like meaningless twaddle, and trying to tap-dance around making contradictory claims.

In the Quantum Chorton Framework (QCF), the curvature field is represented by a symmetric rank-2 tensor χμν\chi_{\mu\nu}χμν defined on a 4-dimensional pre-spacetime graph

What are the four dimensions? What’s curving if there’s no spacetime.

What happens to the chortons after spacetime emerges?

48 minutes ago, swansont said:

What happens to the chortons after spacetime emerges?

• Before Chortons activate: there is no geometry, no metric, no spacetime.

• When limits reach or cross the Planck threshold: Chortons emerge as quantized curvature nodes on a pre-spacetime quantum graph.

• As more Chortons form and align: they collectively give rise to a coherent geometric lattice.

• This lattice defines the emergent spacetime metric:

  [math] g_{\mu\nu}(x) = \eta_{\mu\nu} + \langle \chi_{\mu\nu}(x) \rangle [/math]

  
  
  

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As i said earlier its hard to explain here as it breaks logical flow,i will share screenshots from now on,as the content for discussion will be here.

Maybe you are getting confused in the timeline.

3 hours ago, joigus said:

I meant thermal DOF, not geometric DOF. IOW, what are the microstates?

To this day, nobody knows for sure what the microstates of a BH are. There are proposals, but not a mainstream explanation, AFAIK.

While the QCF framework provides a quantum structure for emergent curvature and black hole formation, a full enumeration of thermal microstates — including statistical counting of Chorton configurations contributing to black hole entropy — is left for future work.

I dont want to state anything without a evidence or reason.
We recognise the patterns of nature and write equations based on it,The nature doesnt change its patterns with equation.

Edited July 27Jul 27 by Dhillon1724X

36 minutes ago, Dhillon1724X said:

i will share screenshots from now on

That may not work so well if it contains text; searching, quoting or highlighting does not work well in the forum.

3 minutes ago, Ghideon said:

That may not work so well if it contains text; searching, quoting or highlighting does not work well in the forum.

Well thats right.
Then i will share parts one by one.
I will have to compromise with flow a bit.

In the Quantum Chorton Framework (QCF), spacetime emerges from quantized curvature excitations known as Chortons, which form a rank-2 symmetric tensor field χμν\chi_{\mu\nu}χμν. Instead of assuming Newton's gravitational constant GGG, we aim to derive it from the curvature response of this field.

We begin with the insight from General Relativity:

[math]
G_{\mu\nu} = \frac{8\pi G}{c^4} T_{\mu\nu}
\Rightarrow
G \propto \frac{\text{Curvature}}{\text{Energy density}}
[/math]

In QCF, curvature is represented by the expectation value ⟨χμν⟩\langle \chi_{\mu\nu} \rangle⟨χμν⟩, and the energy density is computed via the Hamiltonian of the Chorton field:

[math]
\mathcal{H}\chi = \frac{1}{2} \omega^2 A\chi^2
[/math]

Where:

• [math] \omega = 1.853 \times 10^{43} , \text{rad/s} [/math] is the Chorton frequency

• [math] A_\chi = 6.83 \times 10^{-6} [/math] is the Chorton field amplitude

We now write Newton’s constant as:

[math]
G = \alpha \cdot \frac{c^4}{8\pi} \cdot \frac{A_\chi}{\mathcal{H}\chi}
= \alpha \cdot \frac{c^4}{4\pi \omega^2 A\chi}
[/math]

Here, [math] \alpha [/math] is a dimensionless response coefficient that arises due to nonlinear amplification effects in spacetime geometry. It is not an arbitrary factor — rather, we define it by comparing with the observed value of [math] G [/math].

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Calculating-:

Known constants:

• [math] \alpha = 2.428 \times 10^{38} [/math]

• [math] c = 3.00 \times 10^8 , \text{m/s} [/math]

• [math] \omega = 1.853 \times 10^{43} , \text{rad/s} [/math]

• [math] A_\chi = 6.83 \times 10^{-6} [/math]

• [math] \pi \approx 3.1416 [/math]

Step 1: Compute numerator
[math]
c^4 = (3 \times 10^8)^4 = 8.1 \times 10^{33}
[/math]
[math]
\alpha \cdot c^4 = 2.428 \times 10^{38} \cdot 8.1 \times 10^{33} = 1.96668 \times 10^{72}
[/math]

Step 2: Compute denominator
[math]
\omega^2 = (1.853 \times 10^{43})^2 = 3.435 \times 10^{86}
[/math]
[math]
4\pi \omega^2 A_\chi = 12.566 \cdot 3.435 \times 10^{86} \cdot 6.83 \times 10^{-6} = 2.94985 \times 10^{82}
[/math]

Final calculation:
[math]
G = \frac{1.96668 \times 10^{72}}{2.94985 \times 10^{82}} = \boxed{6.67 \times 10^{-11} , \text{m}^3 \cdot \text{kg}^{-1} \cdot \text{s}^{-2}}
[/math]

This result not only reproduces the correct value of [math] G [/math], but also links gravity directly to quantum field curvature — fulfilling the GR condition [math] \text{curvature} \propto \text{energy} [/math] from first principles.

1 hour ago, Dhillon1724X said:

1. Before Chortons activate: there is no geometry, no metric, no spacetime.

2. When limits reach or cross the Planck threshold: Chortons emerge as quantized curvature nodes on a pre-spacetime quantum graph.

3. As more Chortons form and align: they collectively give rise to a coherent geometric lattice.

4. This lattice defines the emergent spacetime metric:

   gμν(x)=ημν+⟨χμν(x)⟩

You’re not answering the question. What happens to the chortons?

Just now, swansont said:

You’re not answering the question. What happens to the chortons?

The chortons built spacetime,i.e they are the reason why spacetime exists so they stay where they are.
However they redshift and i have shared somethings related to it before.

Edited July 27Jul 27 by Dhillon1724X

44 minutes ago, Dhillon1724X said:

This result not only reproduces the correct value of G

Oh, come on. You used G to determine alpha. You have not “reproduced” anything; it’s a circular argument.

Here, α is a dimensionless response coefficient that arises due to nonlinear amplification effects in spacetime geometry. It is not an arbitrary factor — rather, we define it by comparing with the observed value of G.

5 minutes ago, Dhillon1724X said:

The chortons built spacetime,i.e they are the reason why spacetime exists so they stay where they are.
However they redshift and i have shared somethings related to it before.

But once spacetime exists and its rules apply, massless particles must move at c

Just now, swansont said:

Oh, come on. You used G to determine alpha. You have not “reproduced” anything; it’s a circular argument.

We haven’t yet predicted the absolute value of G from QCF.
But we’ve shown that gravity emerges as curvature response to quantum energy.
Matching the observed G requires an amplification factor,
which likely comes from non-linear collective effects of the Chorton field.

I will know that and i accept that.