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Humans as Animals (split from Evolutionary Complexity - The Expanding Framework of Evolutionary Theory)

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1 hour ago, Phi for All said:

evolution is directed by your deity.

No, he doesn't believe in deity. He just doesn't want to be an animal.

53 minutes ago, m_m said:

No, he doesn't believe in deity. He just doesn't want to be an animal.

We are all animals here, nothing to be ashamed about.

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13 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

All of my friends are animals, so I've got THAT going for me. Which is nice.

Why don't you say I am an animal. Not my friends, not we, but I. The theory of evolution is a theory. You will answer that a theory is the strongest explanation which science can provide. But it is still a theory. There is another point of view, religious. And I think, if you don't agree with it, it doesn't mean, that you can speak for your friends, or for others "we are...". It's very easy to hide behind this "we".

2 minutes ago, m_m said:

Why don't you say I am an animal. Not my friends, not we, but I. The theory of evolution is a theory. You will answer that a theory is the strongest explanation which science can provide. But it is still a theory. There is another point of view, religious. And I think, if you don't agree with it, it doesn't mean, that you can speak for your friends, or for others "we are...". It's very easy to hide behind this "we".

There are not one but two religious points of view on this. One is intelligent and recognises that Man is an animal, albeit one with particular special knowledge, attributes and and responsibilities. The other stupidly tries to deny evolution.

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1 minute ago, exchemist said:

There are not one but two religious points of view on this. One is intelligent and recognises that Man is an animal, albeit one with particular special knowledge, attributes and and responsibilities. The other stupidly tries to deny evolution.

exchemist, I can argue every word in your reply, but you don't need it, me either.

7 minutes ago, m_m said:

Why don't you say I am an animal. Not my friends, not we, but I.

I'm an animal, and unlike you, I'm not afraid of that in the least. I'm part of the ecosystem of a planet that holds abundant, diverse life, the only planet we know about that does. My species, over vast amounts of time, developed a high-functioning intelligence while other animals developed other traits. The changes in allele frequency among these populations over time has led to our own understanding of evolutionary theory. Nothing you can say can deny that evolution occurs, and no matter how ignorant you wish to remain about the theory (you obviously still don't understand the strength of the term), it still explains far more than your magic sky wizard, and has the benefit of mountains of evidence to support it.

23 minutes ago, m_m said:

Why don't you say I am an animal. Not my friends, not we, but I. The theory of evolution is a theory. You will answer that a theory is the strongest explanation which science can provide. But it is still a theory. There is another point of view, religious. And I think, if you don't agree with it, it doesn't mean, that you can speak for your friends, or for others "we are...". It's very easy to hide behind this "we".

YOU are an animal as am I, not according to Darwin or an atheist, this according to the great scientist and creationist, Carl Linnaeus.

28 minutes ago, m_m said:

. The theory of evolution is a theory

As is atomic theory, Quantum theory and all the other science theories.

What do you think a scientific theory is?

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21 hours ago, Phi for All said:

I'm an animal

No, Phi for All, you are man.

Man is not an animal, man is man. Animals don't have man's cruelty.

If "we" are animals, then we live on the planet of apes. Where are people?

And I think that intelligence is expression of love in an action, or words. It's a gift, it can't be developed.

1 hour ago, m_m said:

No, Phi for All, you are man.

Man is not an animal, man is man.

And this is a science forum, and scientifically we're classified as Animalia, along with about a million and a half other organisms. Each are different, with different characteristics.

1 hour ago, m_m said:

Animals don't have man's cruelty.

You've never watched an orca pod play with a seal, have you?

1 hour ago, m_m said:

If "we" are animals, then we live on the planet of apes. Where are people?

Your reasoning here is very flawed, perhaps due to ignorance of the science involved. Animalia includes the insects too, you know. We have people (let's call them humans), and we have apes. Both of us share a common ancestor and, oh, why am I even bothering with you?

1 hour ago, m_m said:

And I think that intelligence is expression of love in an action, or words. It's a gift, it can't be developed.

Well, I think that's a meaningless definition of intelligence. We classify many animals based on intelligence, but not using love or words as determinators. Only a few animals can use words, and without those it's difficult to assess how much love plays a part in their behavior.

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