Hi,

I guess what or how it should be but would like to be confrmed,though.

assume please that an "A" sentence passes in an article and the author referenced this sentence from B article with [1].

then which source should be referenced? (I thought that B should be referenced.) but in case my prediction is right, will not be writing a paper so much easy? (especially the introduction part ) (simply copy some sentences as same as it is referenced in a paper or combine with just two papers' referenced sentences and add the new ideas, then your paper is almost ready?

if there is no problem until this point, now I can understand the reason whys;

generelly papers reference sections are so much wide.

and the rejection ratios are so much high.

Edited May 12, 2025May 12 by ahmet

Yes, you are right, B would be the one to reference, but more than that, you would have to dig B up and read whether what A cited (and you want to incorporate into your paper) is indeed what is in B. If it is, you cite B and not A.

However, in natural science you almost never copy anything from a paper. Usually you summarize findings such as, B et al., found that deletion of gene X resulted in a phenotype characterized by X and Y [1].

33 minutes ago, ahmet said:

simply copy some sentences as same as it is referenced in a paper or combine with just two papers' referenced sentences and add the new ideas, then your paper is almost ready?

Therefore, what you describe here should not happen. More importantly, in a paper you generally cite material either for background (i.e. in the introduction sections), methods, or discussion. The core element of your study are your results, which should be original.

The only exception are reviews, where you write about other papers, but here you are supposed to do a synthesis. Copy pasting is not acceptable there, either.

Rejection rates are not particularly high, except in top journals. But even in other journals at minimum you have to demonstrate original work, which is a fairly low bar.

Though for sure, it is usually not possible (or shouldn't be) to randomly submit papers if you are not a researcher in the given field.

7 minutes ago, CharonY said:

Yes, you are right, B would be the one to reference, but more than that, you would have to dig B up and read whether what A cited (and you want to incorporate into your paper) is indeed what is in B. If it is, you cite B and not A.

Sure!

yes, because we need to be also sure that the referenced information is original and so secure;right?

okay.

9 minutes ago, CharonY said:

Therefore, what you describe here should not happen. More importantly, in a paper you generally cite material either for background (i.e. in the introduction sections), methods, or discussion. The core element of your study are your results, which should be original.

I understand that you advise to always be sure about originality. I agree meanwhile.

Thanks

Edited May 12, 2025May 12 by ahmet

39 minutes ago, ahmet said:

yes, because we need to be also sure that the referenced information is original and so secure;right?

It is mostly to make sure that the reference is correct. If say A makes a mistake, and everyone cites A rather than B, then the mistake will spread.

1 hour ago, CharonY said:

but more than that, you would have to dig B up and read whether what A cited (and you want to incorporate into your paper) is indeed what is in B. If it is, you cite B and not A.

hi again,

assume please, The A references an info which is a summary of more than three paragraph (A only mentions /uses titles available in this original info row to row from B)

then I would like to reuse that row to row version of info in my own article?

now which source should be referenced?

my guess: Again B. but again would like to be confirmed.

Thanks

one current problem: I find some guidances boring or not useful abit. Because the answers I look for are not available in those sources. They almost always tend to tell how to reference. not exactly from over real samples. so is there a source to read them with more pleasure.

lke the source responding such questions:

under assumption if the sentence in A is a quotation?

how many words (count) can appear in one referenced sentence or paragraph?

can we use a same reference consecutively more than two or three?

Thanks again.

Edited May 12, 2025May 12 by ahmet

1 hour ago, ahmet said:

then I would like to reuse that row to row version of info in my own article?

That would be considered plagiarism, usually. There is generally no reason to cite someone citing something else verbatim.

1 hour ago, ahmet said:

one current problem: I find some guidances boring or not useful abit. Because the answers I look for are not available in those sources. They almost always tend to tell how to reference. not exactly from over real samples. so is there a source to read them with more pleasure.

This is because you generally learn that during training, and the instructions usually assume as much. I.e. they are not supposed to be learning instructions.

1 hour ago, ahmet said:

how many words (count) can appear in one referenced sentence or paragraph?

This does not make a lot a sense to me, unless you are suggesting that references are copied blocks of text. They are not. References are used to substantiate arguments you are making. For example you can state that "it has been well-recognized that antibiotic resistance is major threat to our ability to control infections [1-12]". But you shouldn't just copy out a sentence of one of those references and pass it on as part of your writing, even if referenced. Generic sentences such as these can read very similar across papers, but it should still be part of your writing (and can also highlight different references).

1 hour ago, ahmet said:

can we use a same reference consecutively more than two or three?

In principle, yes but it depends on how you use a source. If you keep referencing it as a main part of your paper it would be weird. If you they a few important points that you make at different points in your paper it would be fine.

As (of) i understand you advise me to enroll a MSc or PhD program in order to publish something.

I think i do not want it. Or at least i am not willing to do that as long as i am in my home country.

Anyway, i will presumably decide NOT to publish anything academic but i am sure this will not mean that i have not had great knowledge.

Maybe i should reject carrying out the forthcoming proposed review demands.

On 5/12/2025 at 11:32 PM, CharonY said:

This is because you generally learn that during training, and the instructions usually assume as much. I.e. they are not supposed to be learning instructions

Why you don't prefer to give some references to respond my question in meaning a solution instead?

I myself do not want to take place in any of educational association of current system or at least i do not want this in my home country.

Note please i am polyglot, so maybe i should look for in other languages other than English if you mean that the guidance is not supported in English. I do not want to take education here further. Sorry.