jsatan

I'm lost one whats happening, (sorry I've read the thread,)

Ignore my comment about the sodium hydroixde and tin chloride deplacing (silly me)

So wouldnt the tin electro out first?

As the lead is lower (reactive) but the tin would.

So wouldnt the lead just drop out?

so you would have sodium hydroixde and tin chloride in water soln. but how to remove the sodium hydroixde.

an I following this right?

Anymore news on this?

Just thinking. Maybe if I was just just push the gases through water (bubbling) and have a metal halide shinning on them.

I'm not sure if that would make the right about of UV light.

If it was slow and the bubbles kept small it should be too bad.

I know this going a long way around things, but its just and idea.

a little Factoid complements of my data book:

 

Oxy-Hydrogen burner temp: 3073K

Oxy-Acetylene burner temp: 3773k

 

just thought you might be interested

Cool. well nit and hot.

You havent got H and Cl in there have you?

Is this a real book or an online thingy?

(I'd like to read)

I used a heat putty that sets rock hard to cast the burner nozzle.

I used a thin wire and built around that, then pulled the wire out.

When it was burning at a small point it started to cook the putty but very slow.

lol. so much fun,

H2 and O2 can also be kept as a mixture and be relatively stable. If you have pure H2 and pure Cl2 mixed together, UV light (a.k.a. sunlight) will overcome the activation energy barrier and cause it to violently start reacting. (It's actually kind of neat to see).

I said I've not mixed either H and O nor H and cl,

Grrr

Yeah using a camera flash would work,

I was just thinking.

When you use lead/tin rodes when doing electrolysis on the salt water.

You would get:

lead chloride

tin chloride

And sodium hydroixde.

Would this then displace to give

lead hydroixde

Tin hydroxide

sodium chloride

?

Thats what the white stuff is isnt it?

:/

lol. the mixer is about 0.5cm long so it only mixes just before being burned.

Nah I'm not going to mix them b4, that would be stupid and crasy.

It has 2 pipes coming in facing each other which mix it well. then it T's off to the burner.

I've done it before with hydrogen and pure oxygen,

I built my self a micro burner.

The flame that was just hydrogen with the valve fully open was about 2inch max.

Nice and pointy, .

I would then let the O2 in (very very slowly) and then it would get smaller and hotter until it was so small that It was just a white dot (very very white).

But I wouldnt say there was more heat coming out of it than a normla lighter on high.

I'll thyiknk about it,

there`s no Cl gas produced making the Tin(II)Chloride.

there is only a trace amount when plating it out with the carbon electrodes afterwards' date=' but you`ll hardly notice it.[/quote']

Yeah thats what I was thinking, the CL isnt made when 'burning' the tin/lead rods as thats binding with the tin etc.

 

Tin is easy to eley out but I'm not sure what would happen to the lead.

I was thinking if only the tin was changed to chlorids but the lead wasnt then that would just mix with the water, then filter out that stuff and you should have a mix of tin chloride and lead gel.

but wouldnt this lead react with the sodium hydroxide?

or are you making bot tin/lead chlride?

 

Then you make the Na(OH) ph7.

 

I'm just trying to figure why you doing it the way you are, best way of learning.

aha, Hummm. I've not got any of thos,e No sulphuric acid with out buying it.

Would my idea work?

I've got a platinum plate thats is used for hydrogen fuel cell.

could this be used rather then burning it?

Whats NaHSO4?

NaCl + NaHSO₄ ---> HCl + Na₂SO₄

 

Heat the reactants and collect the HCl(g) in a syringe and then dissolve it in water to get hydrochloric acid.

I remember reading this, but I also heard YT say its a lie, so I just crossed it off my list as I only read it in one place.

So its table

salt and vinegar -------> HCL and sodium acetate.

I was thinking there sould be a easy way to remove the sodium acetate.

Thanks,

PS ignore that poop.

jumped the gun

I've added Na(OH) to it, makes a black shlug of copper hydroxide

The second one down has a lot of information, pages and pages. Its a little messed up but once you get the idea just pick what you want to know

I know a bit, I've made my own.

if you search google "making biodiesel" there should be some Hong kong website that has lots of info, and some forums around the place.

You can make BD out of almost anyoil afaik.

Veg oil is the normal.

the run down of how its made it as :

Ethanol or methanol (meth is easy)

mix Na(OH) , then add to oil wait.

That is a very basic example.

I've made some using ethanol whihc is harder then methanol due to the amount of water you will have, as Na(OH) with water and oil makes soap.

anyway do that searhc and your'll get a shed load of info.

Post away

PS there are more then 1 type of BD, oil and white spirts is a strange one, not all engines are ok for this.

But the BD with methanol is fine for all!!

Then there is just straight oil but this can mess up the engine due it being to think.

you are best starting make BD with new oil,

Once you have done this use old oil, whihc does take more work as you get free fatty acids, which the Na(OH) will make nutral.

That requires ph testing.

Hi, YT this is aimed you really,

how do you make your hydrochloric acid?

I've been thinking about how to make it.

I thought of a fun way.

make 2 electrolysis cells.

one has salt in it (table salt)

the other just water

Build some tubing etc and mix them just b4 burning.

this should make water and HCl.

I've burned Hydogen oxygen mix in a homemade burner, which heated the burner to a nice white (very very bright).

So I've got no troubles there.

I take it there has to be a much better why then burning them?

Well anyway I could make hydrogen and Cl in a better way Al/Na(OH) mix and bleach/acid mix.

Any ideas. chems are limited as I've not got around to buying alot of them, but I've got some.

I'm going to try it, but I'm following what you do first,

Well as I havent any hydro acid.

Yt is it giving off Cl gas?

How do you make Hydro acid?

I'll start a new thread about that,

So youre kind of doing what I was thinking of b4?

lol.

Making tin chloride then ele-y it out?

I take it the lead is plated first?

Then you will get tin after?

aha at least I was thinking along the right path,

I may try this may self now.

O you couldnt just add you metal to bleach to make it could you?

My brain hurts,

I have the bricks to make a coke furnace too' date=' it`s just that this year whith having the little one and all the attention that entails, I`ve not even had time to do all the weeding that I`de have liked to have done even, never mind build my furnace and Cold Smoker for my garlic and chilis etc...

 

thnx for the offer any way, but it would be just as easy for you to replicate all this at home and save the postal money, besides, I`de rather not send nameless "Gloop" through the postal system [/quote']

lol

Good point about the the blob.

I thought you lived in a flat and so didnt have a garden, I didnt in my old flat.

 

I've not got any of the chem that would be needed, but I will one day,

Yt is you do manage to get tin oxide without lead or sorts init and dont want it etc etc, send it my way I'd have a go at smelting it and send it back to you If I do it.

I've got a furnace I'n my back yard.

(Homemade btw)

cant you add somecarbon to that and heat it?

Or would that require much too high of temps?

Just thinking, maybe they told a few porkies.

Isnt tin pricey?

Thnx' date=' Interesting about the H2O2 addition, I`ve just put some of that in the electrolyte as well now

I`ll wait until this last peice of solder has broken down in the HCl/H2O2 soln, and then leave it for a few days, Hmm as long as it`s taken me to write this, the soln has taken on a milky apearance and has thickened up to that Gell stuff again?

 

Soooo tempting to give up and just buy some [/quote']

 

No dont give up!!!!

1001 ways to make milky gel.

it seems to be a moot point anyway now' date=' the metal precipitate that the Mg displacement is producing, it being destroyed shortly afterwards leaving a white gell like material again and a white precipitate, fortunately I have a good 100ml left, so I`ll try plating it out of soln using carbon electrodes, Mg displacement is Not working.

so there`s yet Another way Not to do it [/quote']

lol. Well at least you learn something new everyday!!

How come alu wont work?

:/

NM, alu oxide layer, duh!!