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  1. Am I not allowed to show my love for my fellow man? Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. Regards DL
  2. + 1 We are serious but try to be intelligent about it. That is something the dumb them down religions do not like or practice. Strange that Christianity, who says it has all the answers, cannot tolerate questions and always hide hard answers behind miracles and faith. Regards DL
  3. Endy On Righteousness The rightousness of God is a kind of sharing along with equality. There is equality in the heaven which is stretched out in all directions and contains the entire earth in its circle. The night reveals all the stars equally. http://gnosis.org/library/ephip.htm http://www.netplaces.com/gnostic-gospels/who-were-the-authors-of-the-gnostic-gospels/gnostic-view-of-gender-equality.htm Google is a great source of facts. But if you think some other religion other than Gnostic Christianity will smarten Christianity and Islam up, then support the
  4. Chad We have no evidence at all that the biblical Jesus was real. He is only if you want to ignore reality and start believing in miracles and magic. A game for the mentally dysfunctional. We can see if the Jesus you believe in is moral though. You seem to like his, --- let no man put asunder, --- no divorce policy. Show how that would work for a wife that gets beat twice a week by a husband who refuses to stop. Show how denying that woman a chance to find a decent partner is a good policy. Regards DL
  5. So you do not see Universalism or the fact that women and gays are given full equality as a major factor? Gays and women will not care about equality. Is that right? Regards DL
  6. Because the church reversed what the Jews thought of Eden. Man's elevation became our fall. It is also likely why, if you check the Vatican art of Eden, Satan is depicted as a well breasted woman. Christianity has always blamed women for everything. That is why they still deny them and gays equality. Regards DL + 1 Regards DL Yes. Roman ones. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4FsAQtnGN8&feature=player_embedded Regards DL Yet A & E are not said to have any sex till after being banished and not even as having the power to choose
  7. So to you, Jesus was just a martyr and not our saviour. He did not die for us at all. All the Christians have it wrong then. Right? Regards DL Only those of little intelligence and morals will name this a strawman. Regards DL So in contrast, the exact opposite of Christians are expected. In actuality, we are expected to confess our sins and accept the responsibility for them. Nothing could be further from using a "scapegoat". i John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Jesus is
  8. Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity? The Gnostic wing of Christianity, if it can even be called that today, has quite a few differences to Christianity and Catholicism. If the old Gnostic Christians were here, they would hardly recognize what has happened to the original Orthodox Catholic Church or it's various offshoots in Protestantism or Islam. The Gnostic Christian Jesus would have a fit and would be quite disappointed I think. I know that this Gnostic Christian is. The two main differences that moved the old Christians to kill Gnostic Christians and burn their script
  9. Most people would not teach their children to use a scapegoat at school because of the reputation and shame it would give the child. Yet Christians plan on doing that very thing to get themselves into heaven. They call it the sacrifice of Jesus, but regardless, it is still using a scapegoat. Christians have to embrace human sacrifice and the notion that it is good justice to punish the innocent instead of the guilty. Is that a good moral teaching for Christians or not? Regards DL
  10. Endy Presumably is not allowed as it adds to the story and we are not to do so. If you are correct and that it is a story of how to gain a moral sense, then was God wrong in punishing A & E for doing the right thing? Regards DL --------------------------------- mooeypoo Churches are not into social manipulation are they? Just kidding. Good point. Regards DL -------------------------------------------------- Fuzzwood There is nothing in the text that supports your view and I discard it for that reason. You did not speak to the equality of wo
  11. Apologies. I could not use the quote function here. Fuzzwood You do know that this myth has been used to discriminate and denigrate women and gays forever. Right? It is disingenuous FMPOV to make light of it and not discredit literal reading of it. Do you believe that women and gays are second class citizens? Regards DL -------------------------------------------- Ringer Scriptures show God doing the first killing but do you really believe that there was no death before Original Sin or that man doing sin created death? Regards DL
  12. Why did Adam and Eve not eat of the tree of life first? Was it because life is not worth living without the knowledge of good and evil? Which tree would you eat from first? Regards DL
  13. The Trinity concept was basically forced down the throat of the church that Constantine bought with pain of death to any that went against him. He rigged the vote so that he could become the next God/Man. That was a custom of the God/Emperors. That aside, I think that the only way to know if Jesus was real or not would be to analyse his policies for their morality. I see most of what he says as unworkable rhetoric and some issues, like his divorce policy, is anti-love and completely immoral. That tells me that Jesus is a made up character. Historically, there is no evidence fo
  14. Thank you both. I think I have confirmed my point and will pass this on to my friend and see if he agrees. If you are interested in this issue, you can find it here------- http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/33322?page=1 If he has questions I will let him ask those here who likely know more of this issue than I do. For me, it was more of a math question. Regards DL
  15. In a post I made this statement and have forgotten where I read on it and would appreciate any help in proving my point. The poster I was adressing does not believe that if one's only purpose is to save a genetic line, that it is more advantagious to save a sibbling than a son. Greatest I am wrote: Your parents are a and b. You and your siblings are 1/2a and 1/2b Your children are ½ of 1/2a and 1/2b + ½ of your wife 1/2c + 1/2d ---- c and d coming from her parents. Note that your closest match is your siblings and not your children. His reply to me was------ "Please pro
  16. I wrote this primarily for a religious audience but it crosses between the politics of war as well as religion. Please focus on the political aspects and war as what I am looking for is how to prevent the evils of war as resources become short in various areas. Thanks. --------------------------- Can you help but do evil? I do not see how. Do you? And if you cannot, why would God punish you? Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by putting forward their free will argument and placing all the blame on mankind. That usually
  17. Comprehending reality Poe and Candid style. Poe said... If we cannot comprehend God in his visible works, how thenin his inconceivable thoughts, that call the works into being? If we cannotunderstand him in his objective creatures, how then in his substantive moodsand phases of creation? I replace Poe’s “God” with reality or nature. These views are what led to my apotheosis and I endorse themwholeheartedly. When I was a seeker, before I found this clip below. I hadconcluded that reality was in the best and only state that it could be in. Thisbest s
  18. The land of the free. Fact or meaningless rhetoric? Rhetoric is described as language that is not honest,sincere, or meaningful. I am French. French has no word that equates to freedom or freewill as understood by the English. This makes freedom and land of the free purerhetorical statements and basically a dishonest statement. These terms are ideasor a reality that are impossible to have. Freedom and free will then just becomes something that Iwould name as liberty. Liberty is described as permission especially to gofreely within specified limits. That says to me
  19. True but they seem to go right by some. The bad But I also disagree with a number of things in the OP: First and foremost, why do you use that silly word "illuminati"?? It's connected to conspiracy stories, and as you can see, nobody wants to be associated with that (including myself). So, don't use that stupid word if you want to be taken seriously. Secondly, I disagree that our leaders need more power. Some argue that centralized financial power has caused the current crisis, and I agree. I do not think centralizing power can solve all problems. Also, the Soviets tried to run
  20. The secret of the Illuminati and why they are identifiableyet unstoppable. The Illuminati is a natural consequence and phenomenon ofour monetary system. It cannot help but exist, whether we want it to or not.That is why it is unstoppable. Who controls the Illuminati? Collectively, we do. Directly and through our governments. Theyare in plain sight at the top of our socio economic demographic pyramid. The Illuminati is a known group of people or corporationswhom we allow to operate. It has been manipulating and controlling society formany years with Government
  21. O say can you see, the U. S. Oligarchy? The U. S. is on sale. Buy it while it’s hot. O say can you see, by the dawn's early light, what so proudly we hailed we now proudly renounce. democracy http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/ Plato theorized that democracies, as they matured, evolvedinto oligarchies or plutocracies. We are witnessing exactly that. When the new political election funding laws came intoeffect, the U. S. democratic system became an oligarchy or plutocracy. Billionairesare now buyi
  22. tar Apotheosis does say raised to a divine level but I would add the word rapprochement to the description. A getting closer. It is an experiencing of the Godhead or cosmic consciousness for sure but only at the bottom of the ladder. So to speak. Somewhat like listening to an expert speaking for 15 minutes. One can get a sense of the issue and how he thinks of it but then if the student wants to know the topic in depth, he must put in many hours of study. Regards DL Thanks for confirming what I said while denying it. Regards DL
  23. Theist. Who is your Lord and Monarch? Satan or Jesus? Dogma says that God evicted Satan from heaven because he would not bow to man. God also gave man dominion in Eden and this sovereignty was somehow given to Satan. We know this because he used it to tempt Jesus. His dominion thus had to be real or the temptation is a lie. Dogma also says that through Jesus is now the only way for man to reach heaven. The hierarchy of powers over man seems to thus be God at the top, if allowed by Jesus. Second would be Satan as man’s rightful sovereign. Third would be Jesus who usurped the positio
  24. What is wrong in telling the truth. That life is great even with the few burdens we must carry. Would your life not be worth living without your faith in your unproven heaven waiting for you? If there is nothing after death, not my belief BTW, would you curse the life that you had, or thank the stars that you found even a bit of enjoyment in it? Regards DL
  25. I agree. Eden would be like death. This clip shows an analogy of man living in Eden without the knowledge of good and evil. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+time+machine&mid=A09177855E7FF56AF1D1A09177855E7FF56AF1D1&FORM=LKVR38# Thank God, so to speak, we escaped that imaginary place or mankind would not have the great history of progress that we have. No, I have not forgotten the wars and hardships but better progress with hardships than stagnation. Regards DL http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+time+machine&mid=A09177855E7FF56AF1D1A09
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