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That looks to me like someone demonstrating beyond doubt that they have been drinking deeply of the talk radio koolaid. You apparently have no idea what a lefty is, how they talk or what they think.
There is an entire set of schools of lefty intellectuals - from Ken Kesey and Abbie Hoffman to Edward Abbey and the conservationists in general - who regard private ownership of guns as a borderline sacred American right.
There is an entire set of factions of rightwing - - - searching for the term - - thinking and opinion, who strongly favor much stricter government regulation and control of private gun ownership than any of those lefties I named or referenced - you can start with the police departments of most large American cities, and work out the ripples of implication from there.
It's not a left/right issue. It's a libertarian/authoritarian issue, and they both come lefty and righty.
Putting lefties and righties in quotes was smart, because otherwise I could simply point out that Democrat vs Republican in the US does not correspond to left vs right in any reality based sense.I think I will simply point that out anyway, as you apparently think Congressional roll call votes align with libertarian left ideology somehow, and that is talk radio level misapprehension.
This incident happened more than 65 years ago, but tends to stress what can occur if people get fed up with government corruption, regardless of its size
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At some point, the price of corruption is retribution.http://voxvocispublicus.homestead.com/Battle-of-Athens.html This one, 4 minutes.This one, an hour or so from my own home town and 2 hrs. in length. But this was what guns were made for back then.0 -
Since you know what you have asserted is hogwash I'm not sure how to respond, Reagan's views on faith are no better grounded in reality than anyone else's...
Hog Wash? Oh! I think you know better? But unless I miss my guess, Santa passed you right on by at Christmas, and now Easter Bunny is about to do the same thing.
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Ronald Reagan's opinions on religious faith is no better than any other person deluded into believing faith is something to be proud of...
I know that statement isn't your reason for taking science as being verbatim, or is it?. Should it be said that what you have been taught to understand about science is to be believed without question? No! Without it being falsabiable to you it isn't scientific at all, right? While I'm not making a case for Christianity or religion in general, to make a blatent assumption as you have that it is all hog wash simply because you can't accept it, is very foolish indeed.
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If it's a relationship, was there a time in the beginning of it when your faith wasn't as strong as it is now?
If it's a relationship, how can the connection be evaluated by anything other than your own one-sided perceptions and interpretations?
Is faith something that can start out more like hope before it eventually becomes steadfast and abiding and unwavering and unquestioning?
I'm not much of a believer, but when a classy guy like Reagan spoke his mind as he did, it made me wonder?
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It should be repealed. Founding fathers were wrong about some things and ignorant of many things that we know today. This was one of them.
rigney: Sorry John, but I had to give you the minus - on your answer. It's hard for me to believe that you, being a senior as myself, would see the issue of gun control in such a malignant manner. Yes!, Our founding fathers deliberated to great length on many issues, knowing their wisdom would be questioned. Yet, we as a growing herd of sheeple people dare to question the most bizarre mandates coming from our government today, especially the executive orders coming fast and furiously from the white house.
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Time is not an entity unto itself nor a part of anything else, only a measurement we have found useful to describe natural events. Even using it as Einstein did to describe space time seems wrong to me. (the atomic clock thing), or speeding along at the speed of light and changing course. When you alter the outcome of events, you also change time duration and perception.
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Your quote: Posted Yesterday, 03:54 PM
The BB did not originate at a central point. There is no central point of the universe. The BB happened (and is still happening) at every point in space.
To make such a statement as an absolute fact amazes me. Not saying you are wrong, but do you have proof of such a conviction? Here are a plethora of different views, but not one that I have the knowledge to substantiate. Does my lack of understanding make all of them wrong?
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Rigney and I come from the same area of the US, we are "hillbillies" guns are just a fact of life there in the rural areas at least. hand guns were never a big thing when I was growing up but at least a 1/2 dozen long guns were in the house all the time and most of them were loaded all the time. I can't make myself see a reason to take guns away from every one.
Now if the assertion is that by having guns the government has to fear it's people that is hogwash. Few people I know are going to step and and die to fight the government, some of them say they will but I am skeptical... The government can and will squash civilians like bugs if they wanted to.
The really sad thing is that any changes that come about will be so slow and moderate that at no point would most rational people want to take up arms.. (yes i know slippery slope) I think it's important to stand up now and be counted at the ballot box to avoid being targeted by a drone in the future.
Reasonable men should be able to decide who can own a gun, and while I do agree that any sane rational person should be able to own a gun, that doesn't mean you should just be able to walk in and buy one, it should be at least as difficult as getting a license to drive a car...
A gun represents power, power demands responsibility, rights require responsibility, you don't have rights if you can't be responsible...
How sensible things sound when stated correctly.
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The BB did not originate at a central point. There is no central point of the universe. The BB happened (and is still happening) at every point in space.
Mathematically I can't argue the point. But even if the universe originated from a singularity, which instantly rushed out into full bloom and is still expanding at some rate of speed, why is it still doing so and into what is it expanding, other than an immeasurable continuum.? And even a piece of lumber, say a 2x4, or an irregularly shaped pond has a center if you geometrically extrapolate them.
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If our universe started as a Big Bang originating from a central point, regardless of size, why now has science determined ithat it may be flat or saddle shaped along with spherical? The fact we can see 40 billion light years in any direction make me wonder how the univewrs could be flat or saddle shaped? And do we know for sure that everything is moving equidistantly apart as suggested by infrared shift?
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I think we should simply look at the issues as history has produced them. The asians weren't looking through rose colored glasses in 1941 when Japan started a war with the US. They had seen and heard glitches of the atrocities perpetrated in Germany beginning in the early 30s. Sadly, the Japanese were doing the same thing in China, but much worse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_under_German_rule_during_World_War_II#Forced_workers
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Neither!
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As much as I hate to say it, there were more gun related murdered in Chicago in 2012, than all that were killes maliciously in the US during slavery, from the beginning up and through 1865. During that peroid slaves were considered valued property much as a cow, horse or hog might be. Was it wrong? Hell Yes it was wrong! But I don't read history as a science or pity someone, but as an informative piece of literature. Were there atrocities? Hell Yes! Am I glad slaves didn't have arms? Hell Yes! Had they been armed, likely all of them would have been dead, along with a bunch of whites. And what a tragedy that would have also been. If slave and Extermination Camps were ever built in this nation, it was for the RED MAN. They were the ones who really got a screwing.
Read the links
Slavery in the Americas up and through 1865http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States
Jim Crow LawsTwo Japanese Internment Camps between 1041-1945German Internment Camps in the Us between 1942-1945Indiginous Americans0 -
I was hoping someone would come aboard and help out with this puzzle. If not, I hope the reading is not so far removed that it is only gibberish. Below is a link begging the question, where does the energy go that is beind dissipated from a slowing pulsar?
http://www3.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de/public/pr/pr-pulsar-ttauris-feb2012-en.html
Written many years ago and for good or bad, here is another.
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Wish I had gone into this (thought process) just a bit deeper before throwing it out there to you. But since everything I have read and looked at leads me to believe the universe is cyclic, it's only a matter of trying to align anothers thoughts with my own. Being no artist I can only visualize what I'm trying to explain. So, to get my point across, I'm asking you to draw a 1'' circular black dot on a sheet of paper. Next, draw a 2'' empty circle around the dot depicting a void containing nothing but expansion. Then draw a 3'' circle equally enveloping the other two. This third and outer area is our active and physical universe which is being depleated as I write this due to the exchange of known energy being transformed into anti energy and going back to the core. Now, think of all three areas expanding. The core, in volume and weight due to the transfer of energy from our active universe, the void and active universe because of the explosive expansion of the "Big Bang". Then think of the universe as being "spherical" instead of flat, convex, or a saddle shaped manifold, or being a part of something larger. To say that the universe has no center or outer limit troubles me. To look across a thing so vast as our universe and state that everything seems to be moving away from us, makes sense, regardless of which direction a telescope is pointed, we are looking at the outer reaches of our imaginary envelope. Other than math, ask me as you will and I will try explaing as i think. Since I am skeptical of any unproven theory, here is one Mr. Penrose supposedly deduced by using math.
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Are dark matter and dark energy physical properties of an ever expanding universal system that will eventual die or vanish through entropy or some other catastrophe, or are they the antithesis of a system gradually morphing into a new beginning? Since I have a hard time believing this graph, I was wondering what other ideas might be out there?
Image credit: NASA / WMAP science team.
Would the Universe recollapse, like the yellow line shows? Would it expand off into infinity, watching its size increase ever-so-slowly as the expansion rate drops to zero, begging for just one more proton, as that would be enough to cause a recollapse, like the green line? Or would it expand off into the abyss of emptiness, like the blue line? In any case, it would never follow that ridiculous curve shown by the red line; nobody even considered that. Yet in 1998, the data came in, and of those four cases, what did the data indicate?
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You have had several opportunities to speak to the question, and clarify the matter. Do you favor private weaponry possession as a defense against State oppression ? If so, would the century and a half of abusive treatment of blacks by the various State supported terrorists in the old Confederacy count as a situation that would have been improved by more heavily arming those blacks and increasing private sores of weaponry in general, or do we have a situation where the armed citizenry was an agent of State oppression - where the private weaponry was part of the problem?
Likewise with the reds, browns, women, and recently Muslims - but since th OP opened with WWII, we can compare directly the yellows in America: Clearly the Jews in Germany did not know what was waiting for them at the end of the line - and we doubt Japanese ancestry provides clairvoyance either. If anyone in the US had cause to take up arms against a suddenly tyrannical government, it was the American yellows after Pearl Harbor. So we can ask: if they had just had better weapons, and more of them, like their neighbors who were cooperating with the State, would the situation have turned out better?
I have stated on several occasions that it is the constitutional right deemed by the (second amendment), of any and all sane citizens of the United States to own a defensive weapon, whether it be a rifle, hand gun, knife or baseball bat, regardless of race, creed or ethnicity. Quit trying to make it more difficult than it is. 'Course we don't want everybody to start playing with them like this. http://www.wimp.com/fastestgunman/
Just for you rigney...
I liked Carlins wit! The guy could make a joke or entertaining skit out of anything. Sometimes he went a bit too far, but I don't believe anyone but a Charles Manson type nut would ever take him seriously.
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I don't know, in all your stories, seems to me the common thread is white people gone mad. So, seems to me the best solution would be to replace their guns with the jawbone of an ass. That seems to be a better fairy tale than giving a gun to everyone.
Stories and opinions are like a-- holes. We all have one and some are unlucky enough to have two or more. You seem to be the one wanting to bring up the issue of blacks, whites and greens. People are generally just people until some a-- hole stirs them up.
So you think that maybe more heavily arming the yellow, black, red, brown, female, and non-mob Chicago resident population of the US would not have helped much, if at all, these past 75 years or so?
That's may be your opinion, but not what I said.
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In a few words, poetry apart you look like constructing an argument that the olocaust could have been avoided if people at that time were allowed to carry guns. Is that it?
No! Just saying, if the six or seven million Jews and the five or six million detainees (slaves) had a means of protecting themselves other than through a vocal protest, perhaps the nazis would have paid one hell of a bigger price for their takeover. The concertration camps used to house the Japanese living in this country in 1941 were much different than the death camps of Germany and Poland. While they weren't exactly the Ritz Carlton or Hyatt, conditions were. livible. Jesus H. Christ! We had just been attacked by the Royal Japanese Fleet at Pearl Harbor killing 3,000 of our military and civilians.. Was our government going to give a very secretive society based in western California, food stamps, federal housing and other substities? Hell no! Frank Nehi, a good acquaintence of mine, plus his family lived in such a camp until 1943 when he went into the army. The rest of his kin were there in Oklahoma until sometime in 1946. Frank is about 7 or 8 years older than me, but i never once heard him talk bitter about the camp or how he and his family was treated. The detainee camp at Guantanamo for todays terrorist is much better tnan the one Frank and his parents spent their time in. Given the chance I'd denut, the bastards who killed our diplomats in Benghazi and put their asses in Gitmo forever. Yes, the K.K.K. and Chicago mobs have scared hell out of folks, but they haven't killed millions, "YET". And as long as we have a rational society, I don't believe it can ever happen.
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Oh. That's the subject of the thread.
Not "On a train ride between Bremerhaven and Zweibrucken blah blah blah."
Ah c'mon! Are you saying that a Hick can't wax poetic from time to time through their memory? And the bla-bla-bla is of your own choosing, either because you can't or won't understand more than a chimp seems to do. It was ae time that I was there and as I remember it. Maybe you shoud try it once in a while?
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I'm not advocating the arming of any particular faction, sect or ethnic group to usurp control of this nation, but to allow every citizen (sane) who isn't a felon, the right to own a firearm for protection if they so desire. Other than our own Civil War, political power have alwys been the leading reason for change in this country, not a struggle with guns, knives and fists. While we still have the choice in this country, lets keep it that way: "At the ballot box". Without spouting venom or going off half cocked, take a long look at the two links. They make a lot of sence and lead to other links that may be of some help to you.
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Around 1975, i visited in East germany the Buchenwald concentration camp. it is an experience I will never forget.
what I understand from the situation, it all begins with propaganding that some people are not humans. after that has been "explained" it gets easy. That's the way slaves were handled. Millions of black people have lived an equivalent worst experience* on the same principle. Native indians have been exterminated, and native south americans too.
IOW it is not a world gone mad. It is the awfulest side of the world and I am really afraid it may happen again if we don't beware constantly.
*just to get an idea have a look at the way to put slaves aboard the "aurore" ship here
Putting things into perspective as I see them Mike, one slave in a "million" is a million slaves too many. While I really didn't start this thread to discuss slavery, unarmed or inadequately armed people striving to maintain a sensible decorum without arms, "forget it". How easy it is to subvert a system if you are the only one holding the clout. If native Americas or African indigents would have had firearms at the time instead of bows. arrows and spears, things would definitly be very different today. As far as the slavery issue you speak of, try the below link and thanks for your input..
http://www.theroot.com/views/100-amazing-facts-about-negro-0
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1. It has been stated by many that the US war in Iraq and Afghanistan were illegal wars.
By whose authority were these accusations legally authenticated?
2. What could have ordinary citizens who didn't want war done to prevent the US-led war?
Unarmed people are only sheeple.
3. What was it that fueled the wars? Was it 9/11? Fear of nuclear weapons or desire for oil?
Ans. Possibly all of the above, and a Mad Man seeking more power (Saddam), plus a huge poppy field called Afghanistan.
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4. What could have ordinary Iraqis, Afghans and Americans done to make sure war did not take place?
Not a damned thing except wait for an outcome, which we all did.
5. What could the UN have done?
When we consider a "World Wide Military Government" led by the UN, to control us all, doesn't that in itself make you wonder?
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Well then I went in the wrong direction then didn't I? I should have asked you to elaborate before I commented. Would you like for me to delete it so it doesn't derail the thread?
Sal-rite !, I was just hoping to get the post off in the right direction.
It wasn't that easy - it was a serious logistics and engineering problem, it was a major diversion of resources during wartime, and it took the cooperation of a large fraction of the German public for several years to set up - a cooperation only obtained by way of the first truly modern propaganda effort, the world's most effective media marketing campaign to date.
Quote rigney: But I do believe it was quite easily done and could have been done much more so had Der Fuhrer not tried biting off quite so much during the late 30s.and early 40s.
If you want to know how that worked, review how the "rightwing authoritarian military/industrial" faction (we are no longer allowed to use its name) in the US brought us Gitmo, Bagram, Abu Ghraib, Homeland Security, and the Iraq War. Of course we could have resisted by armed force, with our guns, but - - -
Quote rigney: I don't see where you're going with your second statement. Perhaps you might enlighten me as to how it fits into this post? Anyway, I thought these links might help show you my reasons for the post..
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What bothers me no end is seeing someone decked out in designer jeans and exponents of the same genre, buy a half dozen cases of Evian bottled water and pay for it using food stamps.