pinball1970

You have this backwards. The people who are susceptible are those who have never encountered the pathogen. Another good example being COVID 19. The virus did not just go away, the difference now is we have some significant protection from it. About 7 million died between 2019-2022, in 1918 Spanish flu killed between 25 - 50 million in three years. They had less sophisticated critical care but they also had no vaccines.

No. Smallpox being a good example.

Adam did yes? Or at the very least ancient writers thought man might have made a different choice, given our inherent curiousity. But still believed in god Interpretation now though and not my area, just what scripture says.

What if you are a believer but then you decide there might be a better way? It is not up for debate though is it? We were not invited to that meeting where the creator decided his creation would fail twice (on a large scale) BUT would offer a get out clause, believe in me or hell fire.

Why do you attack people? Honest sincere question. DM me.

This thread has been interesting and I also learned a little about some members also. God giving us free will is assuming we did not have it before, I am with Hitchens on this, "Of course we have free will, we had no choice." Secondly, the Christian idea (which I was taught as a Catholic born in the UK) that god gives us free will BUT that also means we have only really two choices. Believe in me, the Abrahamic god and my son the saviour of mankind Jesus of Nazareth and have eternal life, OR burn in hell for ever. This is not a definition of free will. In the normal universe we call this blackmail, open the safe now and you live, or I shoot you. Third point, at no point has god ever intervened in our history, people rejecting god, unjust wars, needless deaths, a chaotic world. God not intervening was step two on my path to rejecting god, Jesus and all that came with it.

So you think, neuroscientists, neurosurgeons, biochemists, nerve and endocrine physiologists, pharmacologists, psychiatrists and general practitioners know nothing regarding the brain? Of course the mind is a product of the brain, what else would it be associated with? You clearly know nothing about brain injuries or pathologies. You damage the brain, you damage the mind. There is nothing mysterious about it, it is an organ with biological function like the liver.

Which words? be specific.

You read that god plays no part in the lives of atheists a lot? That is because we reject the notion of a god, this is not difficult. Other than that we all have different likes, dislikes, politics, sexuality, views on morality, ethics, feminism, LGBTQ+ community, cancer, animals, veganism, Putin, WW3, climate change, Trump, Stalin, ABBA and the Beatles. One thing is clear, you have absolutely no idea what my education or experience is regarding religion or my moving away from it. Probably best you stop that, pretending you know someone then making idiotic comments about them.

You appear to think you know me.

The breakfast of kings or shall I say of the gods? Not Yhwh or Jesus of course, they are strictly Kosher.

The OP is asking what the gods would do if we rejected religion, the UK is doing just that and the gods did nothing OR they don't exist.

Scientists know an awful lot about the brain and how the mind works. The fact they do not know everything does not mean you have to stick a god in there. Those gaps are getting smaller you know. For you maybe. Not having a good to thank for things has not entered my head for over 30 years.

If they have as as far as Riemann then they may as fit as far as Gödel and be ok with it.

Speak for yourself, I don't. If that is going to be worst moment in life that's pretty good.

Why? He writes nonsense which has zero to do with science.

Yes, I am an atheist yes and think the Bible is people trying to make sense of the world. Like I said I was just quoting.

I am just quoting scripture, if you are concerned about lack of context then feel free to contextualise. What do you want me to do? Cite a whole book? It is not my fault there are different views in the Bible. It was written by different authors at different times with different agendas. No idea what that means. This is Yhwh speaking to his people as Amos penned it and he does not seem very happy with the people. Yhwh got very angry a lot in the OT and killed a lot of people.

Yes and he is now saying 31/ATLAS is aliens is too. Or he is writing a book/discussing a netflix series

Two commandments, no other gods and no worship of idols so that means praise is for Yhwh alone. There is a line where god finds the aroma of burnt flesh pleasing too. So he likes sacrifices to him. A different story from Amos though, Amos 5:21 “I hate, I despise your religious festivals; your assemblies are a stench to me. 22 Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings, I will not accept them. Though you bring choice fellowship offerings, I will have no regard for them. 23 Away with the noise of your songs! I will not listen to the music of your harps."

Sometimes burnt animals. If I was all powerful, enough to create creatures the last thing I would want is for someone to kill them and burn them just for me.

No problem.

I did not down vote, just checked and still on zero.

Your post is incoherent. In terms of the thread title, humans invented logic and mathematics. Is there some sort of order that exists beyond humanity? Possibly, I do not think the jury has returned on that.

+1 Totally fine And honest, I like honest in an exchange.