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  1. 6 minutes ago, Strange said:

    I don't think I was ruling anything out. The only definitive statement I made was for the existence of non-physical things (eg dreams, qualia, pink, Thursdays ...)

    I'm not sure that not believing in gods days anything about their existence 

    Speak for yourself :) 

    Pride is universal in the wretched human condition, and pride DEMANDS us to think we know it all, whether we bow down to pride and worship it is another thing.  


  2. 2 hours ago, Moontanman said:

    This is a common dishonest assertion .....

    "In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty; he is always in allegiance to the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection of his own." ~ thomas jefferson     It's unfortunate that Jefferson seems to have exposure only to priests of religions outside of the true religion.  

    James 1:27 King James Version (KJV)

    27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


  3. 1 hour ago, StringJunky said:

    Agnosticism would be the pure scientist's view, I think, because it is the view that matters of religion are presently unknowable but one is not committing oneself to shutting the door on it. To do so would assign a belief that a deity does not exist.

    Excellent, SJ.    Pure science necessitates a mind that considers all possibilities .. which is why science progresses so slowly if at all.  Our pride wants us to think we KNOW IT ALL.

     


  4. Another fine example of the insanity of the English language:  Susurrous derives from the Latin noun susurrus, meaning "a hum" or "a whisper," and may be a distant relative of swarm (think of the collective hum of a beehive). Susurrus is itself an English noun with the meaning "a whispering or rustling sound" (Stephen King provides us with the example of "a violent susurrus of air"). Both the noun and the adjective (note that the two are spelled differently) are products of the 19th century, but they were preceded by the noun susurration, which in the 15th century originally meant "malicious whispering or rumor." Today susurrous is used to describe any kind of sound that resembles a whisper: a light breeze through a tree, perhaps, or the murmurs of intrigued theatergoers.

         We see that the peaceful and soothing whisper of a light breeze through a tree has the same word as malicious whispering.  How is anyone supposed to grow up sane with such a language?  But in an imperialist nation sane people are not wanted because they resist things like murderous wars intended to enlarge the borders of the wealthy.   'Drive them crazy and put a gun in their hand.'  


  5. 2 hours ago, Strange said:

    Dr William Chester Minor, a contributor to the first Oxford Dictionary: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-the-oxford-english-dictionary-went-from-murderers-pet-project-to-internet-lexicon

    It is quite common: cleave (join) and cleave (split), for example. 

    That is not what it means in British English, maybe it is different in Canada.

    Lucifer was the Latin name for Venus as the morning star. (The evening star was called Vesper; these are both Latin translations of the Greek names.)

     

    Yes, same word opposite meaning is as common as mental illness, and that is so common as to be normal.  Canada is far too multicultural for words to have a 'Canadian' meaning, British will bring their flavour, Polish theirs, a thousand races, ethnic groups, subsets, etc.  Newfoundlanders used to have an English almost impossible to understand and they were divided into hundreds of dialects.  Words probably vary greatly in meaning according to class in Britain.  In my lower income caucasian, 'the boys sniggered behind the girls' outhouse' brings out some meaning.  

    Lucifer this is very interesting .. Isaiah 14:12 is the only reference in the bible according to Strong's Concordance .. from the Hebrew word 1966 heylel sense of brightness, from Hebrew word 1984 halal (to be clear originally of sound then colour, to shine, make a boast, rave.  Strong (or a later editor) made an obvious error likening Lucifier to the morning star because Revelation 22:15 quotes Jesus,  "... I am the root and offspring of David, the bright and morning star."    Perhaps this contributed to the murderer's madness in his pet project.

    Latin name for Venus as Lucifer?  I did a quick search, and found a reference of that effect, but no dates.  Was this another attempt to confuse between good and evil?  I fail to understand how anyone with a clear mind who has seen Venus as the morning star (planet of course needs not to be said but ... ) can deny it's singular beauty and specific 'voice' calling to truth and beauty, honesty and goodness.  The shine of gold can blind the mind to beauty, though, and twist light into darkness.

    And thank you for the link, very interesting, and a fine discourse on the confusion of tongues.

     


  6. On 11/15/2018 at 8:42 AM, DrP said:

    I can look it up in the Oxford or Cambridge dics if you like - it will say a similar thing.  

    There are different types of laughter.  That happens a lot with language....  one word can mean a whole class of things.  There are sniggers, giggles, guffaws, chuckles, chortles etc....  the list of ways to describe the different types of laughter is quite long and they describe subtle differences.  I can't watch your vid here at work - will do if I get the chance at home later.

    I have read that a prominent contributor to one of the English language's major British dictionaries was a lunatic in an asylum, the details escape me at the moment (old age working) but I totally believe it .. the same word having opposite meanings for instance .. laughter an expression of joy and appreciation  ..  snigger an insulting demeaning obsenity .. many words are as opposed .. same with spelling .. I blame the English language on a lot of the Schitzophrenia in English language societies .. and it's no  wonder English is the language of Babylon the modern day new world business/military order (the mouth of the Lion .. the Lion being Britain.)   One British dictionary has Venus as Lucifer .. while the bible and most dictionaries have Venus as the bright and morning star which the bible calls Jesus.   English is my only language, but I doubt if any other language is as murderous.   You may not enjoy my post if you're British .. I'm Canadian .. getting the worst of the U.S. English and British English too.  


  7. 3 hours ago, DrP said:
     
    verb: snigger;
    1. 1.
      laugh in a half-suppressed, typically scornful way.
      "the boys at school were sure to snigger at him behind his back"
      synonyms: give a suppressed laugh, snicker, sneer, smirk, simper; More
      titter, giggle, chortle
      "the boys at school were sure to snigger at him behind his back"
    noun
    noun: snigger; plural noun: sniggers
    1. 1.
      a half-suppressed, typically scornful laugh.
      "we heard the sniggers caused by their little jokes"

    You believe in your modernist corrupted dictionary and I'll believe in laughter.   

     


  8. 8 hours ago, CharonY said:

    Your interjections are hard to read, but take a look at the citation I provided earlier. There the case for 2014 is listed by week.

    At the end of this post is an example of paralysis in 8 of 11 cases of spinal mould infection.                                         Your citation showing the rates by week, to me, confirmed the  involvement of AC, with cases later than September probably caused by contagion or mould in forced air heating systems.  Another thing about 2014 .. 24 of the cases were in California with the next highest state having 10, and other states having four or less down to 0.  2014 California had its hottest year on record to that date, .. so AC would have been used more than normal.  I'm moving my opinion towards mould in car AC rather than virus as the major cause.  It may be that virus may cause the initial upper respiratory tract infection, opening the way for mould to become established.             "Mold is also known to cause asthma and life-threatening primary and secondary infections in immune-compromised patients that have been exposed. Toxic moldexposure has also been linked to more serious, long-term effects like memory loss, insomnia, anxiety, depression, confusion, trouble concentrating, and confusion."          "Exposure to mold's toxins and structural proteins may trigger an immune response in the brain. The findings, Harding says, may help explain some of the conditions that people living in moldy buildings complain about, such as anxiety and cognitive problems. ... Mold chemical linked to movement disorder."

        Here is the example of mould in the spine causing paralysis in 8 of 11 cases:   https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11315785           


  9. 11 minutes ago, CharonY said:

    I do not have a link, I just have the paper here. However, it should be easy enough to find. The full reference is Sejvar et al 2016 , Clin Inf Disease 15;63(6):737-745. If you are unfamiliar with literature references, you still should be able to get a hit by just googling it (or use scholar.google.com for example.

    Thanks Charon.  I have the CDC graphs at https://www.cdc.gov/acute-flaccid-myelitis/afm-cases.html    In looking at these I'm reminded that AC months of (sometimes June) July and August in Canada are Greatly extended in the U.S.                                                                   

    Partial year 2014: begins August and Sept with 74 cases, then 51 cases Oct Nov Dec.   

    2015:  20 cases, 6 until end of May, 6 till end of Sept, 8 following.   

    2016: Jan Feb Mar Ap May 11 cases,   June July Aug Sept 100 cases,    Oct Nov Dec 39 cases. 

    2017: 26 cases 10 of them June July Aug Sept.   

    2018:  7 cases until end of May, then 68 cases June July Aug Sept,   then drops to 6 in October.   More cases being investigated.

          The alternate peak years so far are said to have no explanation, and the U.S. is said to be unique that way in the world. 

          It seems obvious to me that the extended AC season in the U.S. will easily account for most of the cases.   I don't know where you are located, Charon, but I hope that doesn't reduce your idea of the length of AC season in the U.S.     

         As I said earlier, viruses are reported to do well in colder air,  and with AC it is in the colder air in the upper respiratory system of the child that the disease strikes first.   CDC literature specifically mentions moulds as a possible environmental factor, and AC systems are generally full of moulds.  

         Thanks for prompting me to further research .. everything I look at strengthens my convictions.  


  10. 8 minutes ago, CharonY said:

    Your interjections are hard to read, but take a look at the citation I provided earlier. There the case for 2014 is listed by week.

    Thanks for the suggestion to look at it by the week.  In case I miss what you're looking at can you send me the url?   I'll say that 2014 was the first year of reporting that I can find.  I was looking at CDC graphs for that year, 2016 and this year to come to my estimate.  I hope you can go through the points I made, the more I look at this, the more I learn about viruses (thrive in colder air for instance) the stronger my conclusion is that it's infected AC and particularly auto AC that is the main problem.     I hope you'll find the time to go through my expansions of your comments.    Like the 70million kids in car AC I cut down to an estimate of about 5million who MIGHT be exposed to the right conditions.   You may not agreed with much of what I say, but I hope you'll go through what I wrote.


  11. 2 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

    You're treating someone as like a Galileo because they went against the consensus.

    I'm not sure what you mean SJ, my smiley face guy was hiding because those who came for Galileo might be at my door .. not suggesting you or anyone .. just a little joke .. feeling Galileo's consternation.


  12. 9 minutes ago, CharonY said:

    Not really, if you consider the number of children sitting in back seats. In 2014 there were about 70 million children and the vast majority would have been in cars at some point.

              How many would sit in the back seat of an air conditioned car frequently?  That cuts the numbers dramatically.  How many are in the prime age group generally 10 to 4?  Another dramatic cut in numbers.   How many back seats are dampened frequently by dogs?  Another major cut.  How many go from the car to a small AC environment like a Daycare?  Another huge cut.  How many cars are older than three years in which infectious agents would accumulate in the cabin air cleaner?  Another huge cut.  Already I think we can take that 70 million down to, say,  five million.  

    The rate for non-symptomtic enterovirus infection is much, much higher for example. 

              Okay .. you're looking at enterovirus only here.  Combine the virus with mould which would be frequent in AC.  And, I just learned that viruses thrive in colder air in the upper respiratory area (the area children with AFM are attacked first.)  The air conditioner would provide that colder air.

    To provide other reference values ...

              I'm not after gun control, I'm after one specific disease.

    But regardless of how to classify it, the issue is still that for a proper epidemiological analysis we simply do not have enough data points. even if it is 300 across the nation, creates too many variable to reasonably handle and too low statistical power to get some conclusion. If the use of ACs was a rare event, it would be easier to figure out. Even worse, even if we assume that AC use would be reasonable cause until end of September, we still have got almost half of the cases (~55) between October and December. So AC use could reasonably only be associated with half of the already low data set.

              I can't see any graph that supports your statement half of cases occur between October and December.   A proper epidemiological analysis would be inexpensive .. a thorough questionaire sent to each parent.  If a set of parents than each parent could fill out a questionaire, this would provide a more accurate picture.  It would be very cheap.  And analyzing the data would be very cheap also BECAUSE of the low numbers involved.

    ..... if it is really viral, then there is no good way an AC can contribute.

              The AC lowers the air temperature to make the upper respiratory tract hard hit (rather than the warmer lower respiratory tract.)  It is the upper respiratory tract which gets hit first in AFM.   There is plenty of literature on viruses in ACs.

    Other factors including genetics, previous diseases or perhaps even diet could equally or more play a role and should not be overlooked in favour of one particular pet theory.

              Excellent point, and why I see you as potentially valuable in the effort.  Include those things in the questionnaire.  Although genetics would be a tough one .. 'how often do you get ill, how often did your grandparents get ill' could be accounted for by lifestyle passed down instead of genetics.

    While it may be worthwhile to look into other agents including mold, there is little to support that at this point.

             CDC mentions it as one of the major areas of investigation .. environmental factors including mould.

    For example, in Florida the frequency is the same as in Arizona (one case each). Ultimately, one key aspect is identifying the actual causative agent, which will require more biomolecular work.

              The disease spread from west to east, Florida will be among the last states affected.  Florida people will also be most likely to spend time outdoors .. and the ocean winds will radically disperse the infectious agents.  

               I value your input highly, you raise real cause for thought, and that is needed, but I suggest your view is skewed towards treatment rather than prevention.  Biomolecular work will enable a vaccine instead of erasing the need for a vaccine.  That spirit was already evident in the CDC literature and correspondence.  It is evident in the HPV vaccines, etc.  There are hundreds of billions of dollars of profit to me made in vaccines, but there are also hundreds of billions of dollars to be considered in treatment, rehabilitation, lifelong care of a paralyzed child, etc .. plus, the automobile industry and auto mechanics would profit a great deal from improving systems, changing cabin filters, disinfecting systems and interiors.  The home maintenance industry would also profit in the same ways.  And children would not need vaccines.

       Please see my interjections in your post.    

    25 minutes ago, Ghideon said:

    I got curious and did some quick research regarding showers and water taps in case you are interested. Notes:
    -Only Legionella was addressed.
    -I concentrated on local conditions (Sweden) and documents from official sources, I’ve not had time to track down or read original scientific papers.
    -The sources are in Swedish only but links to original documents are included.

    -----

    One source* states that showers are a common source. This has resulted in detailed rules for new buildings and maintenance guidelines for older houses. Short extract of the information available: Water containers contain bacterias but they are killed if temperature is high enough. At temperatures of 70 ° C, 90 percent of bacteria die in less than ten seconds. Problems:
    1: Water containers may have too low temperature
    2: There may be stagnant water between the container and the tap

    There are recommendations regarding minimum temperature in water heater, (50 ° C)

    The recommendation is also to let the water flow for a while if the tap has not been in use for some extended time. For new buildings there are rules regarding the minimum and maximum temperature allowed at the tap. The hot water may not be too cool before mixing with cool water.

    I also did a check of the hot water system in my house. The system heats the water to a high temperature periodically (default=weekly) to kill bacterias, but it is not permanently keeping the temperature at this level. (The manual for the control panel says “Legionella function” by the way)

    ------

    Now some speculation based on the information above, I have no sources for this.

    -It may possible to save energy by lowering the temperature in the tank or by disabling the periodical extra heating. That may increase the risk for bacterias.

    -Geothermal systems popular here usually have lower operating temperatures than other, older types of systems. Incorrect setup may result in hot water stored at temperatures were bacterias are not killed, especially if focus is on low energy consumption only. This could increase the risk in newer systems. 

    End of speculation.

    ----

    As a comparison to the quadrupled levels in the U.S I checked some statistics on national level in Sweden. Official statistics*** does not give any clear support for any specific source or major changes. 

     

    *) the National Board of Housing, Building and Planning (swedish only) www.boverket.se -legionella pdf

    **) A Swedish study, but the reference list is mainly in english: www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se pdf 

    ***) public health authority statistics, Swedish:  https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/folkhalsorapportering-statistik/statistikdatabaser-och-visualisering/sjukdomsstatistik/legionellainfektion/

     


     

        Thanks Ghideon  .. your information on temperatures and mist is valuable and answered one question I had .. that of 'could showers for children have a part of Acute Flaccid Myelitis's upper respiratory infection.'  AFM appears at this point to have a strong viral involvement rather than bacteria which is involved in Legionnaires, and viruses are said to do better at the low termperatures induced by AC than by warmer or hot temps.   The low temps of AC could easily account for the virus attacking the upper respiratory system rather than the lower, warmer lungs.  I'll more closely examine which part of the respiratory system Legionnaires attacks, but at this point I get the picture of it being in the lower lung, pneumonia like.  Legionnaires and AFM do not seem related other than the potential for AC to be a/the cause in both.   AFM is spreading rapidly, it's in Europe, I don't know if it's in Sweden, but it's something to watch out for.  No cases were officially reported in Canada until this year, and we have over 45 this first official year of reporting.  In the U.S. it spread from west coast to east coast in five years or under.

    1 hour ago, CharonY said:

    Not really, if you consider the number of children sitting in back seats. In 2014 there were about 70 million children and the vast majority would have been in cars at some point. That would have an incidence rate of roughly 1.7 per million cases  .........

    Here's more support for the AC theory, if I can call it that without raising eyebrows.

        Thanks Ghideon  .. your information on temperatures and mist is valuable and answered one question I had .. that of 'could showers for children have a part of Acute Flaccid Myelitis's upper respiratory infection.'  AFM appears at this point to have a strong viral involvement rather than bacteria which is involved in Legionnaires, and viruses are said to do better at the low temperatures induced by AC than by warmer or hot temps.   The low temps of AC could easily account for the virus attacking the upper respiratory system (first illness involved with AFM)  rather than the lower, warmer lungs.  


  13. 3 minutes ago, beecee said:

    Oh Christ, more philosophical metphors analogies and similes.

    The fact remains that scientific models and knowledge is in eternal progress, based on newer, further, and more advanced observations, and that my friend is why it will never be surpassed.

     

    Aristarchus KNEW the earth revolved around the sun.  That is not philosophy in the broadest sense that is specific scientific knowledge.  Neither did I use analogy or simile, dank cells and hangings were often the ends for true scientists, and please don't confuse the established state religions with Christianity here.  Modern examples involving someone else claiming the work are found by the curious, most often in our era a man claims the woman's discovery.  What are you going to be left with, Beecee, if Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Black Holes are 'discovered' to be false?  They ARE only theories, after all.   Nevertheless, I am counting on scientific advances to confirm certain ancient knowledge, like the water beyond the furthest galaxies, for instance, but as that is written of in a book considered off limits to most science forums I won't mention it here. 

    1 hour ago, studiot said:

    A typical troll, doing exactly what he accuses someone else of doing.

     

    Where is your evidence for your underlined words?

    "Troll" :   A typical internet insult and accusation towards a person with beliefs differing from another person's.   Often the accused is too considerate and polite to respond with similar insult .. but that is not necessary, as most people on the internet are familiar with the personality of the person hurling the insults.

    "Where is the evidence for your underlined words?" :  A request made most often by those who fail most often to provide evidence for their own statements, underlined or not.


  14. 9 minutes ago, CharonY said:

    The issue is that e.g for a peak year in 2014 there were only 120 pediatric cases. I.e. we only have 120 data points to look into and as such statistical associations will be very, very weak. That being said, the latest lit implies that enterovirus D68  may yet be the strongest link and that AFM is a rare (as many more do get infected without these symptoms), but severe symptomatic manifestation in certain susceptible folks.

    I thought the CDC graph I looked at showed 2014 as being the first year of study, with 150 cases in 2016 and going into 150 cases in 2018.  (Alternate year peaks said to be a peculiarity with no known reason distinct to the U.S. compared to the world .. could those be hot years on a climate graph?)   

    120 cases is a LOT if 90% of them sit in the back seat of cars .. or it 70% of them have dogs in the same back seat.  Certainly almost 100% will have and use AC if they have cars.       Susceptibility .. Are the children susceptible, or are the conditions ripe for those children?  How much exposure to the infectious agents time does the child get through sitting in the car?  How much time do they spend in a daycare with AC?  How many hours a day are they in an AC environment?  How much outdoor air do they get?  Are the parents smokers?  I sure wish I could question each parent.   With lifelong paralysis possible, we need to do what we can.  If you have any suggestions I could use for research please let me know.


  15. 53 minutes ago, beecee said:

    The greatest advantage of science, and the  knowledge that goes with it, is that it is not incalcitrant and changes and advances as observations improve. To deny that, or argue against that, is weird to say the least...

    https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_a_scientific_truth

    "Scientific “truth” is simply knowledge that is compiled bit by bit, in the form of theories or “models” to give us meaningful explanations of our universe, including our small chunk of living earth. Although there may be setbacks and corrections along the way, science is nonetheless responsible for the enormous material progress we have seen over the last few centuries..."

     

    Scientific truth is a state of minimum discrepancy between theoretical prediction and observed reality.

    Never absolute, scientific truth improves as theories evolve and/or measurement accuracy increases to improve the correlation between prediction and observation.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    If Aristarchus had not been exiled mankind might have been on the moon 1,000 years ago.    Scientific truth may advance, but the weight of Consensus most often banishes it to a dank cell until those holding the consensus can understand what the person in the dank cell has discovered.


  16. 28 minutes ago, CharonY said:

    Depends. The risk is of pathogens in general (Legionella are often less of an issue in the wild  as they tend not to be as competitive as other bugs. However, they are opportunists and under the right condition they can pop up) is associated with warm standing water. Showers themselves are not a huge problem, but badly maintained water tanks are. Hot tubs need to be disinfected. and if badly maintained are obviously a risk for many nasties. Since acute flaccid myelitis is still a very rare disease, looking at associations is bound to identify tons of incidental co-occurrences so I doubt that a source can be reliably tracked that way. Moreover if a virus is to blame, AC is rather an unlikely place to look at. However with the little data we have we can at least superficially test your hypothesis.  If ACs are associated with AFM, there are a at least two predictions we can try to make. 1) it is more prevalent in areas where AC use is heavier. 2) timing should be close or around heavy AC use.  

    Looking at 2014 data (there is a report by Sejvar et al 2016 , Clin Inf Disease) we see that CA had the highest incidence rate was in California but if we account for population, Pennsylvania and Virginia have similar rates and Colorado has roughly double that rate. On the other hand other states with traditionally heavy AC use (Texas, Arizona, New Mexico) had none or only a single case. So the geographic distribution does not lend a strong support that AC use is correlated with incidence.

    Next, looking at the incidence rate as a function of date we see a peak around the last two weeks of September. If car AC was the main culprit, It would probably be more likely to have  peaks around late summer. Moreover, the incidents continued to occur up to late December, when AC use should not play any role anymore. 

    What has more merit among the things you listed is probably school. There children are in fact packed together, but rather than getting infected by ACs, they infect each other. For example it is known that acute asthma cases in kids cases peak in September, often caused by rhinovirus infections.

    Lastly, if we look enterovirus infection, we see all-year infections with no noticeable peak around the summer months. However, peaks are also observed in September , which could coincide with exposure e.g. at school. 

    I.e. as noted, the AC could be just a random co-occurence, with school onset being a likelier cause for transmission.

         Wow .. thank you Charon .. an excellent post, the kind I was hoping for, I think you could be very helpful in slowing this disease.   However:  AFM is NOT a rare disease, publicity says 'don't be afraid it's one in a million' but real statistics involving number of children under 17 put the U.S. number into the 1/150,000 range, closer to 1/100.000 in Canada.  Geographic differences: as you undoubtedly know, humidity is a factor in bacterial, mould and viral infections.  Arizona, New Mexico and the greater part of Texas which have low rates are dry; California is high and its coast is wet.  It would be interesting to compare interior and coastal cases in California, I suspect a difference would show, but lack of difference could be explained by frequent trips to the ocean by dwellers in the dryer interior.  Car interiors in a dry area will be dryer and far less infected.  If we look at education and income levels how does California compare with Pennsylvania and Virginia where per capita rates are similar?  Would newer, less infected and more frequently cleaned ACs in cars and homes be located in California or Virginia and Pennsylvania?  I've traveled in my camper across the U.S. two recent winters for about 10 months in the U.S. and from what I saw I believe old and dirty ACs will be found far less in California.    Incidences DO spike very high in late summer, supporting my car AC cause, it's just that that the September spike is much higher probably due to return to school combined with the 2 week incubation of enteroviruses epidemiologically associated with AFM, August infections often showing in September.                                                                                                                                                   Yes, incidences continue past September as into December and probably beyond,  but by far the highest peak is September, and both of us seem to suspect the back to school cause, with greatly decreased numbers following.  It would be interesting to chart climate with cases .. I am sure we would see case numbers follow closely the temperature line south after September, with air conditioning being used less.  I think we can account for far lower but still substantial numbers in October and November to the car interior not drying out because of dogs in the back seat, the vehicles will stay damp and hosting infections.  I think my oldest daughter is a typical modern middle class dog owner, the dog is clean and healthy but enjoys the water during walks, the car often used to take the dog to dog parks besides water bodies.                                                                                                                                                 I'm not saying enterovirus is the only cause, I strongly suspect moulds too.  Yes enteroviruses appear year round, but conditions for their accumulation in environments are riper in the peak months of August and September.  I'm not saying car AC is the only cause, but a major cause.  In Canada, with its higher per capita rate, home central heating sytsems infected with mould are often fired up in September.                                                                                                                                                                                               I hope you and I especially can continue our exchanges .. I don't have the skills and resources to easily graph how rates could follow temperature declines.  Perhaps you do, or perhaps someone you know could.  I'm friends with with a Public Health officer in my town, I hope he can find data.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      


  17. 18 hours ago, beecee said:

     

    In other words if the vast bulk of evidence supports a theory, it is safe to accept it as scientific truth.

     :P

    Thousands of years of scientific evidence proves beyond a doubt that the term 'scientific truth' is at such severe odds with itself that it defeats itself at every new and conclusive discovery.  In fact, 'scientific truth' may be the origin of the word, 'sleuth:'  to take the scent of and then run headlongingly excited and baying like a hound straight into a large Oak.  Derived somewhat from the olde Englitchgermanormandutchviking languatch.


  18. 1 hour ago, mistermack said:

    A friend of mine got legionnaires disease, it nearly killed him. It was a one-off, there was no local outbreak at the time. The authorities thoroughly checked out his house and found no source. 

    Some time later, he was telling me about pressure washing cars, (he's a dealer) taking water from a pool of standing water. I said to him, "there's your legionnaire's source". Pressure washers can easily produce droplets that you can breathe in, and standing water is of course a breeding ground for Legionella bacteria. I think they were using two stroke high powered pressure washers. Pretty dangerous I think. I wouldn't dream of using anything other than mains water in one.

    Good post, Mack, thanks, any information and suggestion is going to help.  Even showers in the home can carry dangerous mists, hot tubs can be like going to the tropics and swimming in stagnant water, etc.    


  19. Personality change can be difficult .. I long for absence from fear, yet in the very few times I've experienced it I wondered instantly if fear wasn't a good thing to keep me from doing stupid things, so quickly abandoned absence from fear.  Those absences happened suddenly .. I hope a gradual release from fear will be easier to accept.

    On 2/26/2018 at 4:35 PM, DrmDoc said:

    One major rule of this website is for members to not render medical or mental healthcare advice other than direct inquirers to professionals near them with whom they can meet privately and personally vet. No anonymous advice you receive through sites like this should be seriously considered where the proper treatment of your condition should be your highest concern.  Seek professional help and advice only from well qualified mental healthcare providers whom you can meet personality and privately discuss your therapy options.

    I've found direct and remarkably helpful advice on the internet and in books.  I survived cancer without treatment after refusing treatment suggested by two urologists neither of who warned me of potential side effects, but the Canadian Cancer society told me the surgery (TURPS)  could have spread the cancer.  That was 225 years ago I have no cancer today with no medical treatment.   Internet information on Plantars Fasciitis and Bone Spurs saved me a $400 shoe insert plus a lot of suffering on a useless foot cushioning device because two doctors said I had Plantars and no x-ray was necessary, but I finally INSISTED insisted on an xray that showed a Bone Spur .. treatment for each was different and had I followed the doctors' advice I could have aggravated the Bone Spur and caused it to grow.  Both doctors seemed to gauge their opinion merely on my age, 70, not on my general health and physical activity, hiking, canoeing, camping, etc.  I looked at the xray, the location of the spur, made my own shoe insert, walked mostly on the front of my foot for six weeks, and am spur and pain free.  The internet has much top notch professional information.


  20. Anger is as natural as sexual impulses or desire for food .. we have to suppress them or we're in a lot of trouble.  But there are also good uses for those things . . venting, making the wife/husband/self happy, staying healthy physically.  Expressing anger without being stupid and damaging a relationship permanently or getting jailed is acceptable for most people .. unfortunately it's not what is advertised in super hero comics as the ideal.


  21. Such a LUCKY person!!!!

    On 9/21/2017 at 10:53 AM, DrP said:

    Are you ignoring me for any particular reason? Do you have me on block or something? What video game was it and what IN PARTICULUAR made you snigger?

    There is no point in asking for opinions and then ignoring people when they ask for further information about the situation.

     

    Maybe they haven't discovered the 'notify me of replies' button yet.  A snigger is not a laugh.  But maybe I missed a post where the laugher admitted it was not a laugh but was a snigger.  

     


  22. A good conscience as a substitute for drugs?  A good moral life?  Forgiveness of others and of your self?  Good diet?  Temperance in alcohol?  Acceptance of life as it is this moment and not what we think it should be (while trying to improve our own life and others' lives also of course.)   Before intense chemical therapy and radiation for cancer it was treated with psychology for emotional disturbances.  

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