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  1. 2 minutes ago, koti said:

    How different would it be exactly? If you injected vaccines into the bloodstream that is, which you ofcourse don't.

    I suppose it would be as different as injecting an aspirin or swallowing it, but if you're a medical professional let me know how different you think it would be.    Thanks for your information about vaccination which I googled to confirm.  I've had no experience with vaccine since Elementary school 55 or more years ago so I haven't thought about it except in the past several years when it reached the news about autism, and I saw right away the science was poor on either side, but what I know about the vaccination discussion is the side of the argument which says YOU MUST BELIEVE IN VACCINES are in general very loud and insulting towards those who don't want the vaccine,  while the side that says,  'No after careful consideration I've decided not to get the vaccination'  is quiet and unassuming.  I've seen that in flesh and blood life and in internet discussions.   

  2. What has caused STIs to reach epidemic and record levels in 2018?  Is it the water we drink?  The air we breathe?  Dirty toilet seats?

    (CNN)Rates of syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia have climbed for the fourth consecutive year in the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced Tuesday at the National STD Prevention Conference in Washington.
    Last year, nearly 2.3 million US cases of these sexually transmitted diseases were diagnosed, according to preliminary data.
    That's the highest number ever reported nationwide, breaking the record set in 2016 by more than 200,000 cases, according to the CDC.


          Or is it an abandonment of what old fashioned people call 'morality?'   What is morality?  Can morality be defined scientifically?  Can science lead the way to a higher morality if necessary?  



  3. 14 minutes ago, coffeesippin said:

    Fully agreed.

    An article I looked through says one of the possible causes for acetaminophen to possibly lead to autism is that it lowers the temperature of an ill child, higher temperatures are needed to kill invading agents.    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5044872/

    On 11/15/2018 at 5:25 PM, StringJunky said:


    Many vaccines with it in have up to a 0.5mg aluminium adjuvant.  Breast fed infants ingest about 7mg; 14  times what's in vaccines. If you want the list of Aluminium amounts in each vaccine click the link above.

    Eating and digesting aluminum is far different than having it injected into the bloodstream.  

  4. On 11/15/2018 at 11:56 AM, CharonY said:

    Also note that after Wakefield many folks looked into the link and if one does not cherry pick or falsify data, the association vanishes. Meanwhile, lack of immunization has brought back diseases that were on the brink of vanishing, and children pay the price for that. 

    Lack of sexual propriety has brought back diseases which were on the brink of extinction 10 years ago, and children can pay the price for that too, not that I'm saying studies done showing links with autism and autism wrong, but no one seems to be saying 'keep it in your pants' in the same way a lot of people say 'if you don't get vaccinated you're a criminal.'   https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017/p0926-std-prevention.html

    4 minutes ago, Strange said:

    What a surprise 

    It shouldn't be, Strange, I believe in freedom and individual liberty.  I believe in the right of conscience based on many things including the accumulation of information.  I believe in, for instance, massively promoting the cleaning of air cooling and heating systems ahead of mass immunizations for people who don't need them IF they clean their systems.    

  5. On 11/15/2018 at 7:59 AM, ritastrakosha said:

    Viruses are triggers for inflammatory diseases. Bacteria are triggers for inflammatory diseases. Heavy metals, like aluminum, are triggers for inflammatory diseases. But vaccines, which have all of these, cannot cause any problems?! Yehuda Shoenfeld is much more up to date with vaccines and immunity than Wakefield (but Wakefield was a pioneer). I recommend you read Shoenfeld. There are diseases which are not transmittable (tetanus), there are vaccines which do not impede transmission (pertussis vaccine), there are vaccinated people who spread the disease they are vaccinated against (influenza), there are diseases which are less dangerous than the diseases that vaccines exacerbate (mumps versus asthma), there are facultative vaccines, and there are children genetically susceptible to autoimmune diseases. In all these cases, it is better left to the individual to vaccinate or not. 

    Fully agreed.

  6. Perhaps off topic, but oxygen isn't need for animal life.  https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100416-oxygen-free-complex-animals-mediterranean/       I believe Mars has lots of life, including animals, oxygen using or not.   I believe that I saw in one of the first photos of the first Martian landers, perhaps the first lander,  a pair of animals like Armadillos, and their eyes were on the lander's camera as it moved.  I can't find the photo online though.   

  7. On 11/15/2018 at 4:47 AM, mistermack said:

    Meanwhile, here in the UK, we've had a nice spring, lovely sunny summer, and the autumn is nice too. So it's not all bad news. No water shortages, no floods. 

    Thanks, climate change. :)

    Put it a few extra cords of wood for winter though.

    On 11/16/2018 at 2:23 PM, beecee said:

    No probs.....While always being of the mind that "if" we are to err on this subject, we need to err on the side of caution. My views were greatly enforced when I was fortunate enough to watch a doco called "Chasing Ice" a few years ago. I believe that sums it up. A visually spectacular doco and irrefutably based on much observational evidence and the hindcast attribution method. 

    I have mentioned it before but again worth repeating, if anyone has not seen it, then I suggest you change that and get a copy or watch on Netflix.  https://chasingice.com/

    My forecast lands in the water, usually, but my hindcast usually hooks the trees behind me.

  8. 10 minutes ago, Moontanman said:


    I see, my bad, but why did you mention his split with his wife? how is that relevant to anything in this thread? Atheism is nothing more than not accepting the premise that gods exist, I don't accept the premise that bigfoot exists either, or that UFOs are alien spacecraft, or that Trump is a genius. These things might be true... well except for Trump being a genius but once you start accepting things on faith or simply without evidence you leave yourself open to all god concepts, fairies, elves, ghosts, alien abduction, the list is long and silly. You want me to believe in unsupported nonsense, show me it's real world effects and connect the dots between your nonmaterial supernatural assertions and the effects you or anyone else claims, this goes for anyone who asserts anything without evidence... Show me... 

    Hell I can make a better case for Some UFOs being alien spacecraft than any god claim I have ever heard and the BB? Really? You really think the Big Bang is connected to anything but our attempts to mathematically describe the point in time just after the expansion of the universe started? Are you going to go for evolution next? I suggest you send a few hours perusing this forum and see how these subjects have been pwned to death before you come out of the gate like a rodeo bull with it's testicals in a bind. 

    BTW, you are 75 and and still ignorant about reality? I've around ten years younger and I figured out how ignorant I was 30 years ago.. 

    The scientific method works, religion and god don't even suck hind tit.. 

    Moon .. If you're talking (writing) to me, your first mistake is that I'm not 75, but it typifies your other mistakes. 

  9. For heaven's sake MODERATOR the question's been answered close the thread before we start firing Missals at each other!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    

    1 minute ago, Zosimus said:

    I was unaware that Europe was the only place in the universe. My apologies. [/sarcasm]


    Christians had the most births and deaths of any religious group in recent years, according to our demographic models. Between 2010 and 2015, an estimated 223 million babies were born to Christian mothers and roughly 107 million Christians died – a natural increase of 116 million....

    Not all babies will remain in the religion of their mother, of course. In some countries, including the United States, it is fairly common for adults to leave their childhood religion and switch to another faith (or no faith). Globally, however, the effect of religious switching is overshadowed by the impact of differences in fertility and mortality.

    "What is born of the flesh is flesh .. what is born of the spirit is spirit."  John 3:6

  10. 9 minutes ago, Strange said:

    I apologise. I went back and checked. I misread what you said. 

    Completely understandable, Strange, there has been a LOT of stuff stuffed into the stuffing.  We'll have to remember how we did it when the Christmas turkey waddles in.

    1 minute ago, Reg Prescott said:

    What joke?

    you're joking, right?  If not .. the Hi Jack I addressed you with .. arising from your mention of hijacking .. twice I am sure you mentioned hijacking .. yes, here is the evidence, "Whoops! Sorry to hijack your own hijacking."      Time for a break I'm thinking, but I don't want to miss anything either.

  11. 1 minute ago, Zosimus said:


    I think we all know that the textbook definition of atheism doesn't match up with how the word is actually used on a daily basis.

    For "heavens" sake Zosimus .. we are using the English language despite its huge failures, I can't switch to the Greek or Latin or Hebrew popular today (please forgive my jest.)    In my experience 'Atheist' is used by EVERYONE I know everyone I have EVER known to describe someone who does not believe in God who created the universe.    It has NEVER applied to whether a person goes to church or not, for instance.

    4 minutes ago, Reg Prescott said:


    Preaching? You mean like this comment? (and many others similar to it)


    "All science is speculation until shown otherwise. That is the greatest benefit of science and the scientific method." (page 2)


    No evidence was provided to support the existence of this supposed entity called "The Scientific Method". I personally consider the evidence for the existence of "The Scientific Method" to be exiguous at best, on a par with the evidence for God perhaps. Many others, including Nobel Prize-winning scientists agree with me. But said poster "insists it is correct while ignoring reasoned, supported arguments against it".

     It is "a waste of time trying to discuss anything with a preacher" since he is "unwilling to change their mind after hearing the best supported argument".


    Whoops! Sorry to hijack your own hijacking.

    Hi Jack.  Good to hear from you.  (Yes I know, your name is Reg, you caught the joke I am sure.)   YES!!!   BY GOLLY!!   Just like that kind of preaching!!!!!   Another good example you included:   "It is "a waste of time trying to discuss anything with a preacher" since he is "unwilling to change their mind after hearing the best supported argument".   Yes .. that kind of preaching.  Thank you.

  12. 14 minutes ago, Moontanman said:


    Do you have any evidence hawking rejected his wife or accepted god?  Or are you just another dishonest theist lying for jesus? 

    Strange and whoever or whoever .. What I wrote was:  "Stephen Hawking seems to have necessitated for himself his own formal unbelief in God ..." 

  13. 13 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

    The new also says "Slaves obey your masters even the cruel ones" but that is besides the point why should I believe anything the bible asserts? 

    Good advice for someone who needs to feed a family in our modern economic era don't you think, Moon?  I can't tell you why you should believe the bible .. that might be considered preaching, you know, like someone telling me why I should believe in the Big Bang? NOT that I say BB is false, just that I believe there is a better explanation.

  14. Just now, Moontanman said:

    Ok, not that it matters really, but I reject god as well due to a complete lack of evidence of the existence of a god. Evidently I am in good company... 

    And there is no condemnation from me towards you. 

    1 minute ago, Strange said:

    That doesn't say he accepted god before he died as you claimed 

    I really don't believe I would have written that.   What I thought I wrote was that he rejected God.

  15. Just now, studiot said:

    So why did you claim to be exempt from normal reasoned discussion practice and proceedure when you  failed to address the Philosophical substance of my post about the dictionary definition you posted in support of your Philosophical? position?

    You'll have to include some examples of what your talking about, Studiot.  

  16. Just now, Moontanman said:


    Do you have any evidence hawking rejected his wife or accepted god?  Or are you just another dishonest theist lying for jesus? 

    https://www.livescience.com/63854-stephen-hawking-says-no-god.html     I also watched the documentary of his life, he left his wife for the woman they hired as his personal assistant.     

    1 minute ago, Strange said:

    Start another thread of you want to discuss your ignorance of science 

    Strange, for honesty and truth's sake, what ideas of mine do you consider ignorant?  

  17. 2 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

    For the purposes of our rules, preaching (or soapboxing) is defined as pushing an idea without evidence or support for it, yet insisting its correct while ignoring reasoned, supported arguments against it. It's against our rules because it's a waste of time trying to discuss anything with a preacher, or anyone unwilling to change their mind after hearing the best supported argument. 

    So why is so much of it done here?

  18. Just now, studiot said:

    I can only suggest you obtain a better dictionary.

    One that does not claim the meaning of the word advise is the same as the meaning of word urge or the meaning of the word teach.

    I can only advise you accept the reality of the meaning of the words as defined in dictionaries rather than your own understanding.  Perhaps you can check different dictionaries, I don't need to, I worked as a reporter photographer for a daily newspaper.

  19. 5 minutes ago, beecee said:

    The death of Atheism is associated with the reverse I suggest, and the more likley for the reasons I have stated...that is, the conforming to religious beliefs as simply traditional and in name only and fear of the unknown.


    The only post devoid of fact is your own.....


    'Christianity as default is gone': the rise of a non-Christian Europe

    Figures show a majority of young adults in 12 countries have no faith, with Czechs least religious:

    "Europe’s march towards a post-Christian society has been starkly illustrated by research showing a majority of young people in a dozen countries do not follow a religion.

    The survey of 16- to 29-year-olds found the Czech Republic is the least religious country in Europe, with 91% of that age group saying they have no religious affiliation. Between 70% and 80% of young adults in Estonia, Sweden and the Netherlands also categorise themselves as non-religious.

    The most religious country is Poland, where 17% of young adults define themselves as non-religious, followed by Lithuania with 25%."



    And obviously one can also read into that an even larger percenatge simply claiming belief, because they believe it the right thing to do and traditional.

    "The death of Atheism is associated with the reverse I suggest, and the more likley for the reasons I have stated...that is, the conforming to religious beliefs as simply traditional and in name only and fear of the unknown."    I really have little understanding of what you are saying in the first 10 words.   I agree that many people are leaving traditional religions, I see it clearly in Canada, but there are new organizations all the time .. non-denominationalism.  People who believe in God are also leaving the formal assemblies because they can't seem to provide the outer-wall friendships and fellowships believers desire, once a week togetherness is not enough to sustain human relationships.  Another reason for going outside the walls is the scripture that says the New Jerusalem will have no temple.  (Revelation.  You can google it easily.)  That doesn't mean those people are NOT believing in God, but that they DO. 

  20. 5 minutes ago, beecee said:

    Are you lying, ignorant or being obtuse? Who said the BB proves there is no god? The belief in the supernatural and paranormal is simply unscientific and has absolutely no empirical evidence to supprt it.

    There has been a lot written and read here in the past hour or so, I cannot remember saying those who believe in BB say it proves there is no God, and it doesn't sound like what I would say.  I believe I said the question of BB arose from questions of science proving or disproving the existence of God.  If you can find that statement please provide it.  If God wanted to use BB to create the universe who am I to say 'No God, don't do it that way!!!!!!"    Personally I believe he seeded quantum fluctuations that grew.  

    2 minutes ago, Strange said:

    Stop dragging your ignorance of science into this 

    Strange you certainly do become.  What is it about Non Locality you don't believe.  It has been proven.  The Chinese demonstrated it at a distance with a satellite.  Etc.

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