AtomicMX Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 I am cofunsed, i knew that per orbital you can only have 2 electrons and not eight, (eight in my terms would be for the level 2s, 5d, etc... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamLord Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 I thought the outer orbital was always trying to reach 8 electrons? Eh, I'm not the best at chemistry though, so don't take my word on that. That's what I remember from class though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 the whole "8" thing means that every atom wants a full valence S and 3 full valence P orbitals filled. that's 4 holding 2 each=8. each pel that contains and S has only 1 S. each pel that contains a P has up to 3 P. 5 D and 7 F maximum. did i answer your question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicMX Posted August 19, 2004 Author Share Posted August 19, 2004 Yes the octate law is not my consern, i just want to know if for example... Px Py and Pz (for an example) are 3 orbitals, or the whole them are one orbital. (my teacher says that those 3 are 1 orbital, i say that they are 3 orbitals) And i also said for matter of logic that in an orbital you cant obviously have more than 2 electrons. That the point i am very concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurfSciGuy Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Yes the octate law is not my consern' date=' i just want to know if for example...[/quote'] good, it's an oversimplified model that shouldn't be taught imho Px Py and Pz (for an example) are 3 orbitals, or the whole them are one orbital. They are 3 different orbitals with very similar quantum characteristics. (my teacher says that those 3 are 1 orbital, i say that they are 3 orbitals) You're teacher maybe a bit confused, they are seperate orbitals because they occupy different parts of space, but they are degenerate (i.e. all have the same energy) so on a simplistic level act like one 6 electron orbital. A single orbital can only contain 2 electrons, or this would mean that 2 electrons would have exactly the same quantum characteristics (which is a violation of the Pauli exclusion principle I believe). And i also said for matter of logic that in an orbital you cant obviously have more than 2 electrons. Well, it's more a matter of quantum theory, but you are indeed correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulkit Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Px Py and Pz (for an example) are 3 orbitals, or the whole them are one orbital. They have three seperate mathematical functions depicting them. When you contruct their electron density plots, they look exactly alike except that they are alligned along the three different axes x,y, z. I can give you an example I acctually solved for in the Schrodinger equation for the hydrogen atom. px turns out to be a real valued function py and pz turn out to be comlpex valued, which you have to combine linearly to get a real life interpretation. So quantum mechanically the only thing that electrons sitting inside these orbitals share are the two quantum numbers "principle - n" and "angular momentum - l" and hence also have same energy (degeneracy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicMX Posted August 23, 2004 Author Share Posted August 23, 2004 Can you provide any notations or how can i explain that (with basis) i would appreciate this deeply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chem-Maniac Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Just the s-orbitals are able to carry just two elektrons, the p-orbtials have a different form namly that of a handle, they are therefore able to carry max 6 electrons... As you see the capacity of an orbital is not categoricaly limited to two electrons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulkit Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Just the s-orbitals are able to carry just two elektrons, the p-orbtials have a different form namly that of a handle, they are therefore able to carry max 6 electrons...As you see the capacity of an orbital is not categoricaly limited to two electrons. Orbitals always have at max 2 electrons There are 3 p orbitals which is why they carry 6 electrons (Atleast read the entire thread carefully) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chem-Maniac Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Don't ya think that explaining this stuff to a rookie might be a little bit hopeless? Please stop showing of here...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulkit Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Can you provide any notations or how can i explain that (with basis) i would appreciate this deeply Could you please be slightly more precise in your requirement. What exactly do you need ? Just notations or the quantum mechanical analysis of the orbitals ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulkit Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Don't ya think that explaining this stuff to a rookie might be a little bit hopeless? Please stop showing of here... I am not showing off. What you just posted was comlpete rubbish p orbital accomadating 6 electrons because of its shape !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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