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#1 Pymander



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 06:56 AM

On the topic of "Did Jesus Exist as recorded in the Bible", let us just cut to the quick. We have a record, as for another "myth", Plato's Atlantis, of a man born of The Virgin, transforming water to wine, multiplying food, healing diseases, raising people from the dead, and likewise even raising Himself after pronouncing to the Pharisees that, while they had corrupted the Synagogue into a financial institution, "Destroy this Temple (His body) ...", He would raise it again in three days. Is there any possibility that such feats are in fact possible by a soul which has made its will one with that of the Creative Energies Themselves, such that His Father, Abba as He called Him, is actually performing the "miracles" toward His Divine purposes for mankind. From the reverse side of this coin, is science sufficiently advanced to pronounce that Abba in not the Author of the Creation. On the contrary, is Creation a happy accident that has produced creative consciousness capable of entertaining such questions in a material world? What would be required to resolve this fundamental issue concerning our own existence and fate definitively?

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#2 Bender



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:54 AM

God could show up and make his existence known.


As it stands, none of the above is falsifiable, but neither have we found any evidence for any of it. Occam's razor suggests that in such a case, it probably didn't happen. But it will never be possible to completely disprove it.


On the other hand, if it can be shown that macroscopic objects can exist in quantum superposition, that would be a strong indication that the entire universe exists in superposition (manyworlds interpretation). In that case, there are an infinite number of universes, so us being here to discuss this would not be a happy accident, but a statistical necessity. It still wouldn't disprove any of the above, just make it even more redundant.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:55 AM

In the absence of any proof I treat it with the same amount of credence that I give the ancient Greek heroic epic sagas; I think that, bearing, in mind this was 2000 years ago in one of the most war torn parts of the world that it is very very unlikely that any incontrovertible proof will arise.  On the issue of the Creator - he could easily show us that he exists but either decides not to, or does not exist.  We can never prove that there was not a prime mover behind physical creation of the universe - but again in the complete absence of any proof to the contrary we will continue to believe that there was not. 




cross posted with Bender.  plus what he said.

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 05:12 AM

In more recent times, phenomena which suggest that God does exist, indeed must exist, include Rasputin, Patience Worth and Edgar Cayce. Rasputin was a healer of a capacity that made it impossible to poison him and more, giving comfort to the Czar's family before the dynasty was (almost) exterminated, and healing Alexi who suffered extreme haemophilia up to that time. His daughter wrote his biography, which shares elements of Edgar Cayce's life. These include seeing an angel in response to prayer, and making prophecies. Rasputin's healing powers were such than he survived extreme poisoning and shooting, and had to be drowned in a bag in the river. This was the work of grey suited grafters selling out to foreign corporations and precipitating extreme poverty, and revolution. Einstein's letters to Russian Scientists concerning the UN may be found in "Ideas and Opinions", where their replies recall the mistrust generated by such activity.


Edgar Cayce was a psychic who used such information to heal for twenty years, and who's story was published in the New York Times. This brought letters from around the US, and Cayce would diagnose and prescribe across any distance in a trance state. Arthur Lammers sought him out for information on occult matters, which thereafter produced past life readings of impossible complexity and consistency back to Atlantis. The Egyptologist Mark Leyner compiled "The Egyptian Heritage" from many such readings, recounting the time of the construction of the Great Pyramid. Thomas Sargue produced a biography of Edgar Cayce called "There Is A River", named from Psalms 46, where Edgar Cayce's finger landed after the shock received from Lammers' enquiry. The information was quite at variance with his Southern US Baptist belief system. A DVD collection of his reading is available, and in text format is 20 times larger than The Bible and Apocrypha KJV. Woodrow Wilson consulted Cayce to settle WWI, the result being the 14 Point Plan presented to the Central Powers. Previously President of Princeton University, he said of Edgar Cayce that "No man is that good a liar".


Patience Worth was a Ghost Writer contacted by OUIJA board, who eventually gave her host, Pearl Curran, the ability to perform "automatic writing". Her literary output includes a book called "The Sorry Tale" about the time of Tiberius Caesar and Jesus. She wrote using natural symbolism and a very finite 15th century English vocabulary. Expressing concepts and situations that astounded the literary community of her day, she used words correctly where meanings have changed since. At impossible speed she could construct a poem on any given subject instantaneously, which literary figures said were of a quality that would take them a whole day. When a chapter of a book she composed was lost, she reproduced it verbatim. Her works are held by the Missouri Historical Society. The narrative about Rome and Jerusalem, which appears to recount a past life as the central character Thia, contains information which would stun Coleen McCullock.


All these phenomena, and Albert Einstein with his E=mc^2 (to me, all matter is composed of energy as the power of God), happened about the same time as a academic fraternity was taking active measures against Psychology tolerating mysticism around 1900. The simultaneous appearance  of all four at this critical time recalls the prophecies in the book of Daniel, especially the last chapter, from which Jesus quoted concerning "the abomination of desolation". The computer and the internet seem to be prophecied just prior as "a god of forces, to divide the land for gain and rule over many."


We seem to have, as described in the Sermon on the Mount, "seek and you will find, ask and you will receive, knock and it will be opened unto you." with the converse also the case.

Edited by Pymander, 22 April 2017 - 03:00 PM.

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 02:33 PM

We seem to have, as described in the Sermon on the Mount, "seek and you will find, ask and you will receive, knock and it will be opened unto you."


What makes you think the sermon on the mount is describing god?

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 09:17 AM

Well...the words of our Lord's Prayer, "Our Father, which art in Heaven..." Matthew 6:9 KJV, while there are several instances of "...your Father which is in Heaven...", while "Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God." Matthew 5:8 all but commences the three chapters called "The Sermon on the Mount", a title which heads a very mystical chapter out of 17 in "The Divine Pymander of Hermes" of unknown and very great antiquity. The 64th chapter of the book of the dead is believed to be the oldest, starts with reciting the readers attribute of reincarnation, mentions the Pyramid as being the centre of the earth's land mass, and was considered to be the chapter which suffices the soul as would all the chapters, for admission to eternal life. For the Bible, such an appellation may even fit the Sermon on the Mount, with regard especially to conducting one's life to minimise regrets. Clear across the eons the same bell chimes, commemorating the gavel, ringing the capstone of gold upon the Great Pyramid of Giza. With Hermes, the architect, and Ra the autonomous High Priest and Ruler of Egypt, 12,500 years ago. Standing as a time capsule, to confound the enemies of truth. Its was constructed as a prophecy in stone, depicting the spiritual development throughout the coming age. Why hasn't Mark Leyner's "The Egyptian Heritage" been made into a movie, like Conan the Barbarian or Troy? I wonder...

Edited by Pymander, 23 April 2017 - 06:07 PM.

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