DanMP

Ok, thank you.

After I left yesterday, I realized that Markus Hanke answer regarding the blueshift: ignored that the source of light, the Sun, is not comoving with the travelling twin. For a light source situated in the accelerating spaceship, in front of the twin, there would be the blueshift that Markus Hanke mentioned, but if the source of light, the Sun in this case, is in front of the spaceship, outside, not comoving, the blueshift would continue to grow as the velocity of the ship increases. My point is that if an accelerometer indicates an acceleration and the blueshift of the stars in the direction of acceleration is not increasing, the acceleration is not real, it is not associated with an increase in velocity. In this way we can distinguish between uniform acceleration and uniform gravitational field.

Yes, of course. That was/is my line of thinking as well. I don't know. No, on the contrary, I think that only the speed of the travelling twin is the cause, but the acceleration is important to establish which twin is travelling and also his path in spacetime, if I understood correctly. What do you mean with "ah is bigger"?

We all know the twin paradox with the travelling twin returning younger than the stay at home twin. The acceleration in order to return is considered important for the outcome. Now, let's add a new acceleration, let's consider the travelling twin revolving around an axis, in order to feel as on Earth surface (same g force). If we have 1 clock on the Earth twin location (#1) and 2 on the ship, one on the axis of rotation (#2) and the other (#3) where the traveling twin is staying, which clock is recording the least time between departure and arrival and why? In order to see if only the (added) acceleration is important, let's add another, bigger, "wheel" on the starship, with a different rotation speed, but with the same centripetal/centrifugal acceleration, g. The 4th clock, on the rim of the bigger wheel, would record the same time as the clock #3, on the rim of the smaller wheel? If not, why not?

In another thread, where twin paradox was discussed, Markus Hanke said: I asked: The first answer, from Mordred, was: True, but he didn't understand my question. The second answer, from Markus, was: Again, not what I asked, so I'll try again here. The traveling twin, after the turnaround, accelerates toward Earth/Sun and he immediately see the light from the Sun blueshifting. As long as he accelerates, the light is blueshifted again and again, due to the increase in speed towards the source of the light (the Sun). So, as long as his accelerometer indicates an acceleration towards the Sun, the light of the Sun is blueshifted again and again. On the Earth surface, say on the South pole, in summer, we also have the accelerometer indicating an acceleration towards the Sun, but the blueshift is not increasing, like in the traveling twin case. So the equivalence principle seems not quite relevant in explaining the blueshift that the travelling twin experiences. If I'm wrong, please explain me how/why I'm wrong.

So, here, on the Earth surface, we also see the light coming from stars straight above us "blueshifting" as long as our accelerometer shows that we are "accelerating" upward?

Interesting observation. You have +1 from me. On the other hand, Einstein's theory of relativity is "able of solving the twin paradox".

Thank you for the link. Reading the material I realized that you may be right considering that our understanding/picture of the mind and consciousness is far from being settled. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree a bit with this cemi theory, but if such a theory is accepted/published in a peer review journal, it means that we are far from a clear understanding of the mind. I already wrote my opinions about what you brought in our attention, so that's it, for me it's enough. I wish you good luck in your effort of understanding the mind.

You can obtain "an effect on the brain" in many ways, e.g.: decrease the oxigen/nutrients/water supply, increase/decrease temperature, apply pressure, cut, puncture, whatever 😛 but there is no definitive proof that waves are "implicated in memory". Can you imprint a memory using waves? The waves produced by neurons are a result of electrical signals travelling through neurons. See here how this works. A quote: How can waves be a cause of this and not a (by)product? I said real evidence, not hints that something may be different or (in most cases) insufficiently explained. We already discussed it. Insuficient evidence. More, thorough, experiments are needed. Some stories, not a real study. Part of "personality changes" after organ transplant can be explained by the new DNA in the body. Our DNA is very powerful ... Many many things are inherited through DNA. Also, the transplants require some changes (suppression?) in the immune response. This alone may trigger changes, as you can see here. If "some recipients identified the names of their donors and recalled specific events from their donor’s lives", yes, it would be huge ... if proved real. New/thorough studies are needed. A quote: Again, not real evidence that our current understanding is wrong. I never studied "Dissociative Identity Disorder", I don't know how is this explained, so I cannot comment about the validity of our current understanding. Do you know it and you have a different/better explanation? Information in the form of electromagnetic energy?! I don't get it. Can you offer a link to more details? Interesting. Thank you.

Interesting, thank you, but: 1, there are not only waves: and 2, the influence may be not directly on neurons: Also, the study is in agreement to what I said: You said: but didn't provide any real evidence. Yes, so? You said that the body This is a very bold personal(?) statement and you didn't provide any real evidence for it.

No, any researcher in the field can (and should) replicate the study and make a more thorough investigation, as I suggested, in order to determine if the body does really remember. Try to walk, repeatedly, without shoes, on rough surfaces and you'll have the answer. The "waves" are generated in the brain by neurons "touching"/triggering their neighbors in patterns previously "prepared" (through thinking and memorizing). In the "domino effect" you also prepare patterns, and the waves are produced by individual pieces touching/knocking down the next. The "waves" are a byproduct, not a trigger, in both cases. So, as I said, chemicals are "sent" to the brain, and the brain does the "job". The same is valid for computers. Are the computers thinking? You posted a lot about other animals being aware/conscient and thinking. Yes they are. They evolved very similar to us, so why not? What are you trying to prove by that?

This was the researcher interpretation, but the fact was: and this may be also related to less sensitive bodies, as I wrote before, or some kind of Pavlovian conditioning (the cells in the body may recognize the liver "smell" and start to "salivate", prompting the new brain to search food). My point is that the heads shouldn't be discarded. It may be important to see how quickly the heads, with their new body, would learn to go for the food. Also, more investigations are needed about the body skin thickness/sensitivity and about the changes in body fluids chemical content when the liver is added in the worm proximity. Yes, but I copy-pasted the blue text and found the article with the brain waves. By the way, I see those waves as similar to domino pieces "waves". Yes, it is good to discuss, in order to see the weak points and select the best option. About "our current picture of how mind works in the brain", I don't agree that it is wrong, but I do think that there are many things to investigate and elucidate. There are influences, yes, but we don't think with the microbiome. A pill we swallow may influence our emotions, but the pill itself is not involved in our thinking process, nor the maker of the pill. The cells in our body may secrete chemicals that would influence our mind, but they are not involved in the process of thinking. I agree with the first part, but not really with the cell "capacity to think". Does the immune system think? Does a virus think? Maybe that's why they wrote 'think' ...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/brains-are-not-required-when-it-comes-to-thinking-and-solving-problems-simple-cells-can-do-it/ I didn't find any highlighted text. Maybe you don't know how to do it, so a quotation from the article would be fine. I'm expecting one. To make it easier, your claim was: If you provided the whole article as your reply to what I asked, you probably missed that I already read the article and even offered links to highlighted text in it. After that, I wrote that I can't find the text you are referring ... No links, sorry. Maybe it's something wrong with my browser? In this hypothesis/theory(?), where is the process of thinking located, where and how the memory is stored, how the brain+body and the mind communicate and what proofs are offered to justify/sustain everything is claimed? What evidence can you offer to support these claims? I managed to find and read it, and I'm inclined towards the second option:

Please provide a link to the text you are referring. I can't find it. Well, they should control them before asserting that the body "remembers". I didn't say that cells are remembering, as in remembering thoughts and experiences. What I meant is closer to the kind of "memory" that the immune system has/utilizes in order to recognize viruses/bacteria. There is no real memory/mind transfer. The changes, if real (scientifically documented) and not influenced by the recipient having information about the donor's life, may be triggered by the new DNA (I hope that you don't consider the DNA as a storage mechanism for thoughts, ideas or any kind of mind activity from the ancestors 😀 and also that you are aware that, through DNA, you are inheriting many things capable to affect your personality/behavior).

True. Not suddenly. The worms had to go over the rough patch many times, before their head was cut. It is like walking on rough surfaces without shoes few weeks. In the beginning it hurts, but in time the skin grow thicker and/or the nerves in the skin become less sensitive, so you feel less disconfort. In my opinion this may be the real explanation. It can be tested by not discarding the heads, because all the heads would have new, sensitive, bodies. Probably the heads that remember going over rough surfaces would be quicker to do it than the other heads, but not quicker than their former bodies. Yes, there are numerous effects, including triggered/conveyed through chemicals from ordinary cells (or even bacteria) within the body, but still, that doesn't mean that the body participates in the act of thinking. As a sidenote, there were reported new cravings after transplanting organs. A vegan would crave for meat after their heart is replaced with the heart of a meat eater. But this is not mind/soul memory, it is cells releasing new (for the vegan) chemicals in the bloodstream. At most, the cells may have some kind of memory.