Callipygous Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I wouldn't trust you with any child no matter what age and I would be very cautious of you if you were near me. i dont think you need to worry bettina... from what i have read here it seems he loses interest at puberty. your what? 17? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reverse Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I guess Beauty and Lust are in the eye of the beholder. I’m not letting any deviant tell me they are the same thing. The thing about lust that separates it from beauty, is that lust ( for anything ) is possessive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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reverse Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 what this gets down to is, why a person with a know weakness in that direction , would want to put themself in a position of viewing images, when it would be akin to an Alcoholic sitting around in a Bar all day? why tempt yourself? It's turned out that this behaviour has been deemed injurious to the public good. And sorry if that has restricted your freedom, but you know as well as I do that you are only permitted a freedom as long as it doesn’t take away too much of anyone else’s freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Noir Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 In post 204 above, you admit your being tempted. That makes you different from me and all normal people. You're telling me you've never been tempted when the opportunity for sex with someone your attracted to came up... Well you certainly are different then me but I'd say if when an opportunity to have sex with someone your attracted to came up you where not tempted that maybe your the one with the problem not me. In post 207 your wishing the Aoc laws could be changed to benefit people like you. Please tell me what age your interested in. Yes I do recall saying I'm interested in changing them but don't recall saying to help people like me although I suppose I could say it may have that effect. I think AoC laws of about 14 or 15 is about right and 16 is not bad but 18 and 21 are just ridiculous IMO. The changes I think need to be made are things like expanding Romeo and Juliet laws so fewer children have their lives ruined by being listed as a sex offender because they played around while under age. If 2 children that are below the AoC (or when R&J laws below the R&J AoC) have consensual sex with each other generally the one that first reports it is the victim and the other the the sex offender. When discovered in many locations it is the older that is the offender or if male/female it is the male that is the sex offender. This gets very complicated as there are so many different AoC laws some better then others. In Post 381 you state you own pictures of naked children. I would also make a bet that they would be naked little boys, and I do mean little. Just a guess on my part....no facts. OK Guilty as charged... other then you finding it offensive so what. Read the follow up to that post. Those posts above disturb me greatly. You have stated your desire to be understood and accepted as a "non hurting anyone" kind of pedophile. But what you consider "non hurting" is very different than mine and other normal people. If you were truly a pedophile who is under control, you would continue a very near normal life. Nobody would know that you crave little kids. You would not be on a bulletin board posting your feelings. You would not in your last few posts tell everyone that you continue to buy and keep naked pictures of kids. OK How does doing those thing hurt people other then making people confront a controversial and disturbing issue. If my goal was to abuse children being open and honest is the LAST thing I would want. When you don't know I'm a pedophile, when I come off as Normal and acceptable that is exactly when I have the power to abuse. By keeping this a secret I can build up your trust. The last thing I would want is you to know that I'm a pedophile as it will immediately put you on guard. So....Why are you here. I'll tell you why in a nutshell. I don't believe you. I think your a 35 year old pedophile who is getting older and is on the edge of losing control. I think you dream of going to a country where you have a better shot at being legal with little boys. I wouldn't trust you with any child no matter what age and I would be very cautious of you if you were near me. No offense' date=' but you need a shrink. Bettina [/quote'] Well I am a 35 yo Pedophile and we ALL are getting older. I've been to countries I can legally have sex with children but never did take advantage of that possibility even though it sure was tempting, (opps there I go again being tempted) but I will be moving to a country where the AoC is even higher then where I live currently... so go figure. Who says I don't have a therapist... BTW coming out is one of the things Therapists will often recommend as they realize that the more people know about the truth the harder it is to offend. Thats the same logic behind Sex Offender Registries. However I come out primarily because I think and believe that if young pedophiles can get support and understanding from society instead of hate and ridicule, they may be able to avoid the the rationalization that can lead to them becoming abusers as it nearly did for me as a teen. I'd refer you to post #228 on page 12 for a better description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callipygous Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 You're telling me you've never been tempted when the opportunity for sex with someone your attracted to came up... Well you certainly are different then me but I'd say if when an opportunity to have sex with someone your attracted to came up you where not tempted that maybe your the one with the problem not me. shes telling you she(and the rest of the normal population) has never been tempted to have sex with a prepubescent boy. and you know thats what she meant. lets not play games. : P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Rhedd Posted April 24, 2005 Author Share Posted April 24, 2005 Since the question of pornography has arisen today, I thought some of you might be interested in how the internet allows pedophiles to connect with each other so that they do not feel and alone and also pursue their interest in pornography: http://home.tiscali.be/marc.reisinger/PRESSE/DocPresse/2001-03-19%20Newsweek.html#BODY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Noir Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 what this gets down to is' date='why a person with a know weakness in that direction , would want to put themself in a position of viewing images, when it would be akin to an Alcoholic sitting around in a Bar all day? why tempt yourself? It's turned out that this behaviour has been deemed injurious to the public good. And sorry if that has restricted your freedom, but you know as well as I do that you are only permitted a freedom as long as it doesn’t take away too much of anyone else’s freedom.[/quote'] The Alcoholic analogy has one problem. I don't abuse boys (children) and neither do most pedophiles. An Alcoholic by definition does abuse. If I was a child sex offender then yes your scenario is possibly a bit more valid. Although abusing a legal, non-pornographic, picture seems to me better to abusing a boy. Just as people use nicotine substitutes to stop using (does abuse work as a substitute?) cigarettes. And my person freedom has not been restricted, but other peoples freedom HAS in my name... guess thats OK what parent needs a picture of their little kid in a school play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coral Rhedd Posted April 24, 2005 Author Share Posted April 24, 2005 And as stated before' date=' I know that. I will pose a new question - how do you know so definitely that adult/child sex is actually so harmful? What I am saying is that harm is done by rape. We all know that - all sorts of rape may cause harm, even to adults. [/quote'] Ezekiel, I cannot answer you question unless you tell how you define rape. Could you please give us your definition of rape? More studies than not show that sex with children is harmful. Psychologists tell us that they have experienced more cases than not in which sex with children was harmful to the child. I suggest that this is largely due to the fact that with laws as they stand and also the current public view of adult/child sex, the likelyhood of rape is increased. I do not understand you here. Could you please elaborate on why you believe the current public view of adults who have sex with children increases the likelihood of rape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Noir Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 shes telling you she(and the rest of the normal population) has never been tempted to have sex with a prepubescent boy. and you know thats what she meant. lets not play games. : P No I don't know that and I don't believe she meant that. She's not a Pedophile so why would anyone think she has ever been tempted by a Prepubescent boy. But Hatred of me is justified because I am tempted by a sexual desire I never asked for or decided on. Of course I'm tempted boys that is the definition of a homosexual pedophile but is my being tempted, but more crucially I've resisted that temptation. Still that makes me some kind of animal and monster, and a person acceptable to hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GreenDestiny Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 what this gets down to is' date='why a person with a know weakness in that direction , would want to put themself in a position of viewing images, when it would be akin to an Alcoholic sitting around in a Bar all day? why tempt yourself? It's turned out that this behaviour has been deemed injurious to the public good. And sorry if that has restricted your freedom, but you know as well as I do that you are only permitted a freedom as long as it doesn’t take away too much of anyone else’s freedom.[/quote'] Looking at (legal) pictures doesn't take away anyone's freedom. What expectations do you have regarding pedophiles? Should they not be allowed to have a sexuality? It's only normal to have sexual thoughts from time to time, you can't stop that. And of course one also looks at pictures or movies from time to time. As long as it doesn't become obsessive it's also normal I would say. If you see a picture of a sexy woman somewhere, do you turn away? Only if it becomes obsessive it would be unhealthy IMO, but that is true for anyone. A hetero guy who watches nothing but porn all the time might also become unable of having a normal relationship with a woman. But that's not true for the majority of men. I really don't think looking at pictures of boys has any negative effects on me, on the contrary. After all, everyone needs some outlet for his sexuality, isn't that true? Furthermore it's completely impossible to stop having sexual thoughts at all. And why should I want that anyway? Would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kylonicus Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I really think this topic should be locked. It's getting way to disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callipygous Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 No I don't know that and I don't believe she meant that. She's not a Pedophile so why would anyone think she has ever been tempted by a Prepubescent boy. But Hatred of me is justified because I am tempted by a sexual desire I never asked for or decided on. Of course I'm tempted boys that is the definition of a homosexual pedophile but is my being tempted, but more crucially I've resisted that temptation. Still that makes me some kind of animal and monster, and a person acceptable to hate. i suppose i cant speak for her, but i think thats what she meant. well just have to wait : P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezekiel23 Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I really think this topic should be locked. It's getting way to disturbing. it is certainly on a bit of a wild goose chase right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kylonicus Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Have you tried Depo Provera? That will eliminate your sex drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coral Rhedd Posted April 24, 2005 Author Share Posted April 24, 2005 Any sex against the will of somebody. Anything that makes somebody feel uncomfortable or worse. read the rest. I didn't understand the rest. Unless you are saying that all that repression will cause people to burst out into using force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Rhedd Posted April 24, 2005 Author Share Posted April 24, 2005 No I don't know that and I don't believe she meant that. She's not a Pedophile so why would anyone think she has ever been tempted by a Prepubescent boy. But Hatred of me is justified because I am tempted by a sexual desire I never asked for or decided on. Of course I'm tempted boys that is the definition of a homosexual pedophile but is my being tempted, but more crucially I've resisted that temptation. Still that makes me some kind of animal and monster, and a person acceptable to hate. Now I am really confused. You are a homosexual pedophile who is sexually attracted to boys and Ezekiel is a heterosexual pedophile who is sexually attracted to boys. Why do you think you guys define yourselves so differently? BTW, had the two of you met online before prior to posting here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coral Rhedd Posted April 24, 2005 Author Share Posted April 24, 2005 Also comparing pedophiles in general to murderers is not only offending, it's ludicrous. That's what I meant in my first posting - why can't people stay rational when this topic comes up? It doesn't make any sense to put a whole group of people in a corner, applying dismissive labels to them and accusing them of the vilest of things which are only true for a fraction of them. Now this is what is terribly puzzling to me. If you feel that you are characterized as "vile" as a pedophile, why don't you just get another label? I mean, unless legitimizing acts of pedophilia is some sort of burning issue for you, why not simply call yourself something else? Or are you part of some sort of political movement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDestiny Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Since the question of pornography has arisen today' date=' I thought some of you might be interested in how the internet allows pedophiles to connect with each other so that they do not feel and alone and also pursue their interest in pornography: http://home.tiscali.be/marc.reisinger/PRESSE/DocPresse/2001-03-19%20Newsweek.html#BODY I only read the beginning of this, but that alone is enough. The author is talking about pictures of children being tortured, of violence and everything becoming more brutal all the time. Well, I know a couple of other pedophiles from the web and I have read in a couple of online forums, so I think I'm not completely unqualified to say that this is nothing the average pedophile would be interested in. You know, pedophiles are attracted to children, feel love for children - so they are the ones who'd feel most repulsive about such pictures. Just think of it - are most heterosexuals interested in pictures of raped, abused, tortured women? Probably these things are really available on the internet, I won't deny that, but this doesn't have much to do with pedophilia. I'd guess that the people who want to look at this kind of stuff are rather sadists or people looking for a new "kick" in their lives. As for the other point you mentioned, how the internet allows pedophiles to connect with each other so that they do not feel alone, isn't this something positive? Isolation is a problem for many pedophiles, so the internet can help people gain more self-confidence and find perspectives how to lead a somewhat happy life. I don't understand why this is viewed in such a negative way. Maybe the people out there think of such forums as places for trading kiddie-porn only, but this is really not the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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