jsatan Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 I few weeks back I order some barium nitrate off ebay. I was wondering the best way to make it burn nice and green? I had a quick try with plain sugar mix, but no luck. I'll take some pictures etc to show you the results.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 you`ll need to mix it with another more "sensitive" nitrate KNO3 for instance, that will lower the activation energy for the reaction. Barium Nitrate on it`s own is quite un-impressive, and using sugar as the reducer is just plain daft Charcoal and sulpher with a little dextrin is all you`ll need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted October 11, 2004 Author Share Posted October 11, 2004 Whats so bad about sugar. Too much of a burn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 sugar when broken down by heat gives of water as well as carbon, water and fire don`t mix very well, so you may as well just use the carbon in the 1`st place and keep the reaction dry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 "sugar when broken down by heat gives of water" Because sugars have a ratio of 2:1 of H and O, if someone didn't know. Pouring H2SO4 on sugar is a great way to demonstrate this. By the way, is the substance always a sugar if it has a 2:1 ratio of hydrogen and oxygen and some carbon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Sucrose: (table sugar) C12H22O11 when broken down is 12 parts carbon and 10 parts Water. Fructose: C6H12O6 Glucose: same as above Maltose: same as Sucrose Lactose: sams as Sucrose I can`t think of anymore, it does seem to follow a trend though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 I like fructose, since it's easy to remember its composition, having as much C as O. It also tastes good! And fructose intolerance is probably a rarer case than lactose intolerance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 dextrose is another sugar, but I dont know the ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 good point, I forgot about Dextrose actualy, we could be here all day long naming them! LOL http://www.scientificpsychic.com/fitness/carbohydrates.html don`t be put off by the URL name, it`ll just give you an idea of how deep the rabbit hole is with regard to Sugars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 Yeah I know what you mean, you get the same sugar but have a beta and gamma type, which come together and blah blah you have water and a long chain of sugars, amalyse or something spelt like that, I studied them a few years back, loll Edit: amylose, lol. (my poor head) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 yeah, it`s a whole new can of worms, of a respectable size too (Ecomomy pack!). as for the original post, I hope now it`s clear why using Sugar isn`t such a great idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 Yeah it is, in my lacking of knowledge I knew that sugar and kno3 works so I just out of interest tried it again. But this is the way you learn. Also as I dont have any sulphur (shame on me) can I just use iron oxide in it's place? Ps thanks YT for that link, brings back somethings I forgot about, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 I personaly wouldn`t use the iron oxide, it`ll only serve to contaminate the Color further and will be of no benefit either, Iron Oxide is NOT a Sulpher replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 "Arabinose" Silly name for a molecule if you ask me. Wow, those chains are complex. Well, organic chemistry hasn't ever been a great point of interest for me anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 occasionaly you`re forced to use organic reagents in inorganic chem, making a LITTLE knowledge of it unaviodable. but yeah, like you, I`m not an Orgo chem lover either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 lol. I love orgo chem, Thanks for that YT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 "lol. I love orgo chem" Bring the torches! We have A WITCH! BURN, YOU EVIL BLASPHEMER! j/k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 OI !!! I`m a Witch thank you very much!, I try NOT to get people "burned" where possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Hehe, just had a sudden Monty Python-seizure. "What do we burn with witches?" "MORE WITCHES!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 I just had a Ray Bradbury moment. we`ll burn the books to ashes then we`ll burn the ashes. Farenheight 451 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdurg Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 I'm always amazed at how if you take a few -OH groups on sugar and replace them with a Cl atom, you get 'Splenda' which is an artificial sweetner. It's also something that a diabetic can safely ingest without causing problems, unlike the unsubstituted sugar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsatan Posted October 13, 2004 Author Share Posted October 13, 2004 Yeah what amazes me is that you can build a lot of things from just this hand full o sugars. brill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 it IS actualy quite fantastic the amount of "sugar" or carbohydrate molecules that can be made with such a simple formula, I`de be more than certain that not ALL of them are even known yet, as the possibilities and combinations seems virtualy endless! due to this, post`s #14 and 15 were writen, Organic chem.... Naaah ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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