tsolkas Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 “Equivalence Principle” of the General Theory of Relativity, is absolutely wrong! more.....http://www.tsolkas.gr/english/document1/principle-equivalence/principle-equivalence.html Christos A . Tsolkas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajb Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 If your mathematics are correct, then I think you have interpreted it wrong. As far as the mass m1 is concerned, the lower mass m2 behaves as if it were part of the larger mass M. So I don't see why the velocites would be the same anyway. The equivalence principle states 1) Inertial Mass = Gravitational mass. 2) Space-Time is locally flat (i.e. a manifold). 3) The laws of physics reduce locally to that of special relativity. there are weaker versions, where 3 is removed. So far the equivalence principle has passed every test thrown at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woelen Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Moderator action: moved to pseudoscience. This is one of MANY MANY claims about relativity being wrong. This does not belong in the science forums. Feel free, however, to continue discussion and posting over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 tsolkas what do you want us to do? Tell you that you are wrong? Or is this meant to be a breakthrough in science? In that case I suggest you send it to a journal and get it published, then again I'd also suggest you don't waste their time. Sorry man, but woelen is right on with the move to pseudoscience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Tsolkas has never graced us with replies to any criticisms, so I suggest you don't waste your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 anyone else notice that TSOLKAS is almost an Anagram of "Ass Talk"? or is it just Me and my warped imagination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutZ Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 anyone else notice that TSOLKAS is almost an Anagram of "Ass Talk"?or is it just Me and my warped imagination? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That is the greatest random comment on these boards. Thank you that made my day. Ontopic: Put it to the test! I want to see nature duplicate it, or rather your result duplicate nature. Untill then when a ball is dropped it goes up not down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THoR Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 YT2095 The Resourceful One Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: N:52`31.7, W:002`04, Alt:492ft Posts: 10,390 anyone else notice that TSOLKAS is almost an Anagram of "Ass Talk"? or is it just Me and my warped imagination? __________________ Just Say "KNOW". ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yesterday, 02:41 PM #7 GutZ Baryon Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 138 Quote: Originally Posted by YT2095 anyone else notice that TSOLKAS is almost an Anagram of "Ass Talk"? or is it just Me and my warped imagination? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That is the greatest random comment on these boards. Thank you that made my day. Ontopic: Put it to the test! I want to see nature duplicate it, or rather your result duplicate nature. Untill then when a ball is dropped it goes up not down. The conventional wisdom used to be the world was flat and the Earth was the center of the Universe. Every scientific breakthrough known to humanity came from individuals who questioned the status quo and challenged the conventional wisdom. Science is ill served by those who ridicule and belittle. It is an affliction of the dull minded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_alien Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Thor, tsolkas has been refuted ad nauseum and has never replied to any critisisms. There is a limit to how far you can push outside the boundaries of mainstream physics and still be possible. tsolkas is well beyond that limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 IA don`t bother man, he`s either one of his Muppets or annoyed he never noticed/thought of it 1`st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timo Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Every scientific breakthrough known to humanity came from individuals who questioned the status quo and challenged the conventional wisdom. I don´t know for sure but I doubt the validity of that statement. I think scientific breakthroughs "hang in the air" quite long before the point which historically will be considered "the breakthrough" is there. Who is the lonely guy sitting in his appartement all night working out quantum mechanics, for example? Afaik there is none, because it´s been a whole comunity working on it an bringing it step by step to today´s form. Even relativity, which is very tightly bound to the name Einstein, was not invented by Einstein out of nothing. At least the fact that two of the most important tools in (special-)relativity are the "Minkowsky space" and the "Lorentz transformations" makes me think so. Besides: Relativity hang in the air, because it was less a "challenge the conventional wisdom" than an attempt to explain the well-known inconsistencies in available theories. Or let´s take a more up-to-date example: Suppose next week Martin writes a paper where he manages to derive the complete Standard Model of particle physics as a low-energy approximation of Loop Quantum Gravity and also shows that LQG is free of inconsistencies up to arbitrary energies. Let´s furthermore suppose he also manages to make some predictions of where the Standard Model and LQG will give different results and that the LQG results are indeed measured at the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva. Even when you ignore the fact that such a big shot is not likely to be achieved by a single person and that there´s thousands of other people involved in the LHC experiment alone: You probably saw the large amount of LQG papers Martin regularly posts here for discussion. Would Martin fit to your picture of an "individual who questions the status quo and challenges the conventional wisdom"? I am pretty sure in fifty years, that´s what people would think because no one would remember the names of today´s "LQG pioneers" anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THoR Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 Thor, tsolkas has been refuted ad nauseum and has never replied to any critisisms. There is a limit to how far you can push outside the boundaries of mainstream physics and still be possible. tsolkas is well beyond that limit. Understood, but there are ways of handling the situation without becoming an obnoxious jerk like .... YT2095 The Resourceful One Posts: 10,391 IA don`t bother man, he`s either one of his Muppets or annoyed he never noticed/thought of it 1`st __________________ Just Say "KNOW". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THoR Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 I don´t know for sure but I doubt the validity of that statement. I think scientific breakthroughs "hang in the air" quite long before the point which historically will be considered "the breakthrough" is there. Who is the lonely guy sitting in his appartement all night working out quantum mechanics' date=' for example? Afaik there is none, because it´s been a whole comunity working on it an bringing it step by step to today´s form. Even relativity, which is very tightly bound to the name Einstein, was not invented by Einstein out of nothing. At least the fact that two of the most important tools in (special-)relativity are the "Minkowsky space" and the "Lorentz transformations" makes me think so. Besides: Relativity hang in the air, because it was less a "challenge the conventional wisdom" than an attempt to explain the well-known inconsistencies in available theories. Or let´s take a more up-to-date example: Suppose next week Martin writes a paper where he manages to derive the complete Standard Model of particle physics as a low-energy approximation of Loop Quantum Gravity and also shows that LQG is free of inconsistencies up to arbitrary energies. Let´s furthermore suppose he also manages to make some predictions of where the Standard Model and LQG will give different results and that the LQG results are indeed measured at the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva. Even when you ignore the fact that such a big shot is not likely to be achieved by a single person and that there´s thousands of other people involved in the LHC experiment alone: You probably saw the large amount of LQG papers Martin regularly posts here for discussion. Would Martin fit to your picture of an "individual who questions the status quo and challenges the conventional wisdom"? I am pretty sure in fifty years, that´s what people would think because no one would remember the names of today´s "LQG pioneers" anymore.[/quote'] Actually I used the term individuals plurally on purpose - people who think out of the box - 'individual' connotating those who don't follow the herd rather than a single person thinking independently...damn semantics anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 The conventional wisdom used to be the world was flat and the Earth was the center of the Universe. Every scientific breakthrough known to humanity came from individuals who questioned the status quo and challenged the conventional wisdom. Science is ill served by those who ridicule and belittle. It is an affliction of the dull minded. "But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." (Carl Sagan) "Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo it is not enough that you be persecuted by an unkind establishment; you must also be right." (Robert Park) The issue is not so much that Tsolkas has a contrary viewpoint, it's that he doesn't stay here to defend it. He's a hit-and-run troll, and that is what is being ridiculed and belittled here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 - people who think out of the box even just Using that term alone is almost an oxymoron, it`s so Cliche` now that folks that Use that saying, are actualy Inside this box and can`t use the tools within it adequately and thus end up copying. Copying such sayings for instance! or maybe I should just "get with the Program"? in oder to "give it Closeure" btw, it`s awefully Rude to just jump into the middle of a thread and hurl abuse when you DON`T know the full history behind it:mad: oh yeah, and there IS NO "Box"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 "Think outside the box" used in this context is often a cop-out, used to excuse the lack of evidence for and rigorous analysis in support of a particular position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bascule Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 The great error of Einstein was writing off quantum to the degree he did. I think this just goes to show that Einstein was a conceptualist thinker who, after developing his concept (SR/GR) was really out of good ideas. That's how conceptualists tend to work (e.g. Raphael, Picasso, Jean Baptiste Seurat, Orson Welles, Andy Warhol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 The great error of Einstein was writing off quantum to the degree he did.Yep. Einstein was wrong twice, that I'm aware of. Firstly when he disagreed with QM and secondly when he said that E=mc² does not mean mass can be converted into energy. This second error was disproved during his lifetime. However he died before, what he thought was an error with QM, was shown to actually be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 anyone else notice that TSOLKAS is almost an Anagram of "Ass Talk"?or is it just Me and my warped imagination? Sorry but it's your warped imagination. TSOLKAS = "Ass Tolk" or "Oss Talk". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_alien Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 key word being ALMOST sayonara. your slipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 O is 60% away from A in the vowels list. That's not "almost"! ps "you're" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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