The randomness is all the very different people that have their own styles as you will see from the video/s. The order is all of them coming together to create harmony.

It's not click bait, just some music. Just thought how cool it was. All the quadrillions of different atoms coming together to produce these songs. Truly amazing when i think about it so I thought I'd share.

Enjoy.

Here's the page https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=1000+musicians

Here is some music.

It's truly amazing what we can do if we come together.

Sadly some people are hell bent on being the opposite...

And no, I have nothing to do with it, I just stumbled across this and saw how truly cool it is.

Edited May 14May 14 by Imagine Everything

1 hour ago, Imagine Everything said:

The randomness is all the very different people that have their own styles as you will see from the video/s. The order is all of them coming together to create harmony.

It's not click bait, just some music. Just thought how cool it was. All the quadrillions of different atoms coming together to produce these songs. Truly amazing when i think about it so I thought I'd share.

Enjoy.

Here's the page https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=1000+musicians

Here is some music.

It's truly amazing what we can do if we come together.

Sadly some people are hell bent on being the opposite...

And no, I have nothing to do with it, I just stumbled across this and saw how truly cool it is.

While I have little interest in the videos, the title of your thread expresses a profound truth abut the physical world, I think.

When I was studying at university I was very much impressed with statistical thermodynamics. That subject is concerned with showing how "random" behaviour at the level of atoms and molecules (random in inverted commas because the atoms and molecules of course remain subject to the laws of physics) quite naturally leads to all manner of highly ordered bulk properties and behaviour of matter, from temperature, physical changes of state and heat capacity through to chemical equilibria and rates of reaction.

Stat TD was described by Peter Atkins as one of the two great pillars of physical chemistry, the other being quantum theory. I found both extraordinarily mind-expanding.

17 hours ago, exchemist said:

That subject is concerned with showing how "random" behaviour at the level of atoms and molecules (random in inverted commas because the atoms and molecules of course remain subject to the laws of physics) quite naturally leads to all manner of highly ordered bulk properties and behaviour of matter, from temperature, physical changes of state and heat capacity through to chemical equilibria and rates of reaction.

Thank you. I think I was a little lazy when I posted this.

The music is probably irrelevant to some degree. It's cool that it's not your taste, if it was and everybody else's taste, perhaps there would be no randomness involved lol.

I thought the videos were a great visual guide to describe the quantum mechanics that happened, have happened and are still happening.

I was looking at this from a fundamental (and then upwards) view.

All the fields, all the particles, the excitements, fluctuations, all the atoms, molecules, DNA and nth more that have to come together in order to eventually make all the different instruments, the land they're playing on, the stadium itself, the different people & their own personal styles & personalities, different backgrounds, different upbringings, the parents that brought them into the world, the different life paths they must have all taken to get to this point. All random yet coming together as order.

And so much more, all seemingly random at points throughout their lives coming together to act as one entity in harmony.

An easy way to see it might be to think of random dancers in a music video doing their own thing and every now and then synchronising together to do the same dance before breaking back into their own freestyle.

I think even though the dances might appear random, perhaps the order exists at the same time if they were all following a time count, like everyone syncing every 20 seconds or something simliar.

Random order? Ordered randomness?

Could go so far with this, such as the earth forming and coming together in the way it has to enable eventual life, material formations & then life discovering the things we have so on and so forth. And as you guys know, it goes all the way back to the BB and perhaps further.

Nthless :) (endless)

It is absolutely fascinating and amazing to me. There's probably even a maths route to describe it but ugh, maths isn't my thing it would seem, so I can't say anything in that respect.

Edited May 15May 15 by Imagine Everything

58 minutes ago, Imagine Everything said:

There's probably even a maths route to describe it

For one thing, there's the central limit theorem.

There seems to be a dance between the stochastic elements, such as kinetic particle trajectories/collisions and deterministic phenomena, as in the chemical and intrinsic properties of particles and gravity causing them to coalesce. It occurred to me today that the prevailing environment is the 'designer' of complex structures, selecting the elements that will interact and those that will cease. Some of those structures will reciprocally act on surrounding stochastic elements, such that the local environment comes under mutual 'control'. I think it is important to put the deterministic/stochastic dichotomy to bed because they exist and interact in tandem. This is a great problem to think about, I think, trying to figure out how things evolve from the inert to complex, autonomous, biotic structures.

Edited May 16May 16 by StringJunky

1 hour ago, StringJunky said:

This is a great problem to think about, I think, trying to figure out how things evolve from the inert to complex, autonomous, biotic structures.

And the notion of free will seems to rely on enough determinism to allow control but also enough randomness for there actually to be free will.

1 hour ago, KJW said:

And the notion of free will seems to rely on enough determinism to allow control but also enough randomness for there actually to be free will.

But is freewill random? Is choice random?

1 minute ago, StringJunky said:

But is freewill random? Is choice random?

That's actually the point I'm making. It can't be completely random because then there would be no ability to control. But it can't be completely deterministic, either, because then there would be no free will.

55 minutes ago, KJW said:

That's actually the point I'm making. It can't be completely random because then there would be no ability to control. But it can't be completely deterministic, either, because then there would be no free will.

Right. Yes, I agree.

21 hours ago, StringJunky said:

1. There seems to be a dance between the stochastic elements, such as kinetic particle trajectories/collisions and deterministic phenomena, as in the chemical and intrinsic properties of particles and gravity causing them to coalesce. It occurred to me today that the prevailing environment is the 'designer' of complex structures, selecting the elements that will interact and those that will cease. Some of those structures will reciprocally act on surrounding stochastic elements, such that the local environment comes under mutual 'control'. I think it is important to put the deterministic/stochastic dichotomy to bed because they exist and interact in tandem.

   2. This is a great problem to think about, I think, trying to figure out how things evolve from the inert to complex, autonomous, biotic structures.

I get the grasp of what you said there @StringJunky and thank you. I guess I didn't have the right words but yeah, everything that ever is or was or could be has to come from something somewhere and had an effect on whatever interacts with either in the past, now or the future. Everything has had, is having and will have a knock on effect.

Random but ordered and then perhaps more randomness and perhaps more order. I so want to say more but that is for my initial thread but this thread I started because it really struck me how random & ordered the video was regarding the different things/people. If I take that further, those videos & musicians wouldn't have been able to play those songs if the original singers/bands hadn't made them.

And those original bands/singers had families & friends/enemies? who would have influenced them and would also have been influenced by, who also led their own lives...nth

A universe sized supply chain perhaps.

2.From almost nothing to something :)

20 hours ago, KJW said:

And the notion of free will seems to rely on enough determinism to allow control but also enough randomness for there actually to be free will.

Both working perfectly in tandem with each other. Maybe it's not just free will, could that be paired too with our "sixth sense" where we pick up feelings from seemingly nowhere and that itself encourages us to make a choice in certain way. Still free will but also humanised entanglement if you will, with our surroundings, all the time, everywhere, all at the same time, thinking about the effect everything seems to have on everything.

The butterfly effect I guess.

Also, as we are eventually made of fields and particles, would this behaviour also apply to them? Nature following nature...

When I read the news, look around, ponder stuff, it seems like the human race (on one level anyway) is heading towards an 'anything that can be' (personality wise) 'will be' direction.

Undetermined personality evolution perhaps and will keep going because no 2 people are absolutely identical to the last thought. Though there will no doubt be an exception to that as well at some point lol.

Probabilistic that a new human will have & develop one, randomness perhaps being the one they 'choose'.

@StringJunky

One of your signatures reminded me of something I saw the other day.

Confucius says: "Man with watch always knows the time. Man with two watches is never sure."

"Naked man not worry about pickpockets"

It nothing to do with me, I don't take credit for that. Might have been on tv.

Just thought it was humerous.

Edited May 17May 17 by Imagine Everything