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9 hours ago, studiot said:

So you are claiming that all those relativity calculations about spaceships travelling through 'empty space' are incorrect ?

They are correct, but we are discussing about whether we can apply relativity to empty space or not. AFAIK, we treat empty space as nothingness. We map space by constructing coordinate system so we can make measurements but we do it differently when applying length contraction. We apply directly to space which contradicts with our main concepts of space. By doing that we treat space as a thing. 

8 hours ago, MigL said:

When applying length contraction, we use relative speed between the 'moving' object and the one doing the measuring ( of speed and length, from a 'rest' frame ).
If there is no other object in the universe, what do you measure speed relative to ???

I don't get what u mean. It's kind of like you don't follow the topic about twins paradox currently being discussed.

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7 hours ago, Lan Todak said:

It's kind of like you don't follow the topic about twins paradox currently being discussed.

It's kind of like you don't realize there is no paradox, and further, it has nothing to do with length contraction in inertial frames.

 

13 hours ago, CuriosOne said:

I've been getting rude and sarcastic remarks since my 1st posting

No, YOU haven't.
Your attitude and 'far removed from science' ideas have.
None of us like talking to a brick wall; take other's comments under consideration, instead of jumping topics all over the place.

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8 hours ago, MigL said:

It's kind of like you don't realize there is no paradox, and further, it has nothing to do with length contraction in inertial frames.

The distance between muons and the detector is call space and this distance got contracted. That explains why muons survived. It does not matter which frame you choose, in physics, space is nothing. you will need to rework space-time curvature to compensate this poorly defined conception(empty space) because they do not match. On top of that, it's necessary to rework time dilation too as its independence of direction will not fix in.

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